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big deal. You can get a set of replacement drop in wood for about $200. Get a spare set and keep the original wood in the gun case [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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GC - how much are those 686 Onyx Berettas?
another question, I bought one of those Fausti (3.5 in capable)shadowgrass pattern o/u last year and i swear the stock of the gun seems way too long.when you nuzzle the gun up to your cheek it feels like your "too far away from the gun" compared to my 1100 or 1187.I wonder if i can find someone to shorten the stock by an inch or 2. you have any ideas?
I'm also leaning towards another over and under. In your opinion- for the money, what is the best all around value without spending an arm and a leg. I would like a good feeling balanced gun (2 3/4 and 3 inch capable only)that does not kick like a mule when shooting 3 inch shells. Last year I had a knot on my middle finger from shooting 3 in. shells out of that Fausti. you would have to be some kind of man or glutton to shoot 3.5 out of that puppy. Thanks for any imput
another question, I bought one of those Fausti (3.5 in capable)shadowgrass pattern o/u last year and i swear the stock of the gun seems way too long.when you nuzzle the gun up to your cheek it feels like your "too far away from the gun" compared to my 1100 or 1187.I wonder if i can find someone to shorten the stock by an inch or 2. you have any ideas?
I'm also leaning towards another over and under. In your opinion- for the money, what is the best all around value without spending an arm and a leg. I would like a good feeling balanced gun (2 3/4 and 3 inch capable only)that does not kick like a mule when shooting 3 inch shells. Last year I had a knot on my middle finger from shooting 3 in. shells out of that Fausti. you would have to be some kind of man or glutton to shoot 3.5 out of that puppy. Thanks for any imput
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GC you heard anything on that Beretta whitewing? Whats the cost of that gun?
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I don't know what a 686 Onyx runs retail. I have never paid retail for a shotgun, but I suspect they are about $900 to $1000 wholesale. Anyone got an FFL? Or I will call my friend with an FFL and post tomorrow.
I think that you can't go wrong with a Beretta or Browning in the low/mid O/U range. I would look at the Onyx series Berettas, or the Citori/425 Brownings.
IMHO, you get a better trigger, more quality control, legendary reliability, a MUCH stronger action and better metalurgy with the Beretta. Everything on the gun other than the barrel shoulders is modular and replaceable. I can swap barrels, stocks, forends, you name it among my 686 and 682's. The 682 series are my favorite O/Us (including Krieghoffs!) Beretta changes the stocks every third day seems like, so yours may have a palm swell, and your buddies just like it may not. Depends on what kinda mood Guido and Nunzio were in at the stock shop that day. Costs more than a Browning.
You get better wood, long cones, overboring, good resale value, good reliability and a gun that any gunsmith feels comfortable working on with the Browning, and it is less expensive. Miroku in japan makes good guns, and they make the Citoris/425's for Browning. The Browning is a lot of gun for the money, and unless you are really a hardcore target grinder, you will never shoot it loose, so it is a good deal. I do not know if these guns are modular/interchangable.
Those are my top 2 picks. With an O/U, there is no free lunch, if you are going to use the gun hard, you get what you pay for up to about $2,500, then it is just wood, engraving and chest puffing past that. That is the reason you see more Berettas and Brownings than all other O/U's combined in the U.S. Next would be Ruger, but I would save my pennies and buy a "B" gun, or get a used one. There are other good O/U's out there, like Lanber, that cost less, but they are hard to find, harder than hell to get someone to work on, and unproven as to long time durability.
Did not mean to have such a long post [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
I think that you can't go wrong with a Beretta or Browning in the low/mid O/U range. I would look at the Onyx series Berettas, or the Citori/425 Brownings.
IMHO, you get a better trigger, more quality control, legendary reliability, a MUCH stronger action and better metalurgy with the Beretta. Everything on the gun other than the barrel shoulders is modular and replaceable. I can swap barrels, stocks, forends, you name it among my 686 and 682's. The 682 series are my favorite O/Us (including Krieghoffs!) Beretta changes the stocks every third day seems like, so yours may have a palm swell, and your buddies just like it may not. Depends on what kinda mood Guido and Nunzio were in at the stock shop that day. Costs more than a Browning.
You get better wood, long cones, overboring, good resale value, good reliability and a gun that any gunsmith feels comfortable working on with the Browning, and it is less expensive. Miroku in japan makes good guns, and they make the Citoris/425's for Browning. The Browning is a lot of gun for the money, and unless you are really a hardcore target grinder, you will never shoot it loose, so it is a good deal. I do not know if these guns are modular/interchangable.
Those are my top 2 picks. With an O/U, there is no free lunch, if you are going to use the gun hard, you get what you pay for up to about $2,500, then it is just wood, engraving and chest puffing past that. That is the reason you see more Berettas and Brownings than all other O/U's combined in the U.S. Next would be Ruger, but I would save my pennies and buy a "B" gun, or get a used one. There are other good O/U's out there, like Lanber, that cost less, but they are hard to find, harder than hell to get someone to work on, and unproven as to long time durability.
Did not mean to have such a long post [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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Hey Gwall: If you are under about 5'9" it could be WAY long. My LOP is 14", so I usually just put a short recoil pad on a gun and am right in the ballpark.
Is your stock wood or plastic? You can send it to Thad Scotts in Indianola and George Berry (if he is still there) can shorten it no matter what it is made out of.
The general "rule" that gunfitters use is that there should be no less than 1" and no more than 2" between the back nuckle of your trigger hand and the tip of your nose. If you are right handed, have someone stand on your left side throw the gun up and have them measure. That will give you a decent idea of what is up. You can go to a short pad, cut the stock or whatever from there. Note that the "general rule" does not apply in all situations, it is just sort of a range, and long arms, big hands, etc can monk it up. So you have to apply some common sense. Remember to measure with you hunting clothes on if you mostly hunt with the gun, since that can have an effect, too.
Sorry for the info overload. Hope that made some kind of sense.
Is your stock wood or plastic? You can send it to Thad Scotts in Indianola and George Berry (if he is still there) can shorten it no matter what it is made out of.
The general "rule" that gunfitters use is that there should be no less than 1" and no more than 2" between the back nuckle of your trigger hand and the tip of your nose. If you are right handed, have someone stand on your left side throw the gun up and have them measure. That will give you a decent idea of what is up. You can go to a short pad, cut the stock or whatever from there. Note that the "general rule" does not apply in all situations, it is just sort of a range, and long arms, big hands, etc can monk it up. So you have to apply some common sense. Remember to measure with you hunting clothes on if you mostly hunt with the gun, since that can have an effect, too.
Sorry for the info overload. Hope that made some kind of sense.
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Hey GC, thanks for all the info and ideas - i think i'm going to look into the beretta O/U s
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yea DY that tristar gun and the gun i bought are almost identical - traditions is the company that markets and sells the stefano fausti gun that i bought- you can look up traditions on the web and see the guns look very similar- you would swear they are the same. If i could do it over again i would just go on and buy a quality o/u. at the time i wanted a camo o/u that would shoot 3 1/2s and that was about all that was out there - i learned real quick, at least with this gun you don't want to shoot 3 1/2s- the 3 s kick like a mother as it is
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Onyx Hunter 28" is $1,099 to FFL.
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I have never heard of it in synthetic stock. I think it only comes in walnut stock with the satin finish so it doesn't shine too much.
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GC is right on target with the cost. If you have a bud in the business, you should pay less than $1100. If not, don't pay more than $1300. That is for 3 1/2 capability. And they all are also right about shooting those long shells in any o/u...will flat stomp a mudhole in your butt! 686 onyx has beautiful wood for a hunting model. Know how you feel about putting scratches on a high dollar gun. But I buy them to use; don't need one for trophy purposes. Kinda like dating a good looking woman just to look at. I'm more of a "hands on" kinda guy! Last advice...get the one you like best and feels best between your hands. And, like the right woman, she'll just feel right when you hold her! You know, there are all sorts of analogies to women/guns I could make, but I'm probably aready on thin ice. Thank goodnes mine doesn't read this site!
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