****Obama's Gun Ban List****

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****Obama's Gun Ban List****

Postby Hole Hunter » Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:10 pm

Obama’s Gun Ban List Is Out


Posted on 11/20/2012


Obama’s Gun Ban List Is Out
Alan Korwin – Author Gun Laws Of America GunLaws.com

Here it is, folks, and it is bad news. The framework for legislation is always laid, and the Democrats have the votes to pass anything they want to impose upon us. They really do not believe you need anything more than a brick to defend your home and family. Look at the list and see how many you own. Remember, it is registration, then confiscation. It has happened in the UK, in Australia, in Europe, in China, and what they have found is that for some reason the criminals do not turn in their weapons, but will know that you did.

Remember, the first step in establishing a dictatorship is to disarm the citizens.

Gun-ban list proposed. Slipping below the radar (or under the short-term memory cap), the Democrats have already leaked a gun-ban list, even under the Bush administration when they knew full well it had no chance of passage (HR 1022, 110th Congress). It serves as a framework for the new list the Brady’s plan to introduce shortly. I have an outline of the Brady’s current plans and targets of opportunity. It’s horrific. They’re going after the courts, regulatory agencies, firearms dealers and statutes in an all out effort to restrict we the people. They’ve made little mention of criminals. Now more than ever, attention to the entire Bill of Rights is critical. Gun bans will impact our freedoms under search and seizure, due process, confiscated property, states’ rights, free speech, right to assemble and more, in addition to the Second Amendment.

The Democrats current gun-ban-list proposal (final list will be worse):

Rifles (or copies or duplicates):
M1 Carbine,
Sturm Ruger Mini-14,
AR-15,
Bushmaster XM15,
Armalite M15,
AR-10,
Thompson 1927,
Thompson M1;
AK,
AKM,
AKS,
AK-47,
AK-74,
ARM,
MAK90,
NHM 90,
NHM 91,
SA 85,
SA 93,
VEPR;
Olympic Arms PCR;
AR70,
Calico Liberty ,
Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU, Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC, Hi-Point20Carbine, HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, HK-PSG-1, Thompson 1927 Commando, Kel-Tec Sub Rifle; Saiga, SAR-8, SAR-4800, SKS with detachable magazine, SLG 95, SLR 95 or 96, Steyr AU, Tavor, Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle ( Galatz ).
Pistols (or copies or duplicates):
Calico M-110,
MAC-10,
MAC-11, or MPA3,
Olympic Arms OA,
TEC-9,
TEC-DC9,
TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10,
Uzi.
Shotguns (or copies or duplicates):
Armscor 30 BG,
SPAS 12 or LAW 12,
Striker 12,
Streetsweeper. Catch-all category (for anything missed or new designs):
A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see below),
(iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud.
Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than
10 rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rim fire rifles).
A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine, and has:
(i) a second pistol grip,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a barrel shroud or
(iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, and
(v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds.
A semiautomatic shotgun with:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a pistol grip (see definition below),
(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds, and
(iv) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits.

Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any “semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General.”

Note that Obama’s pick for this office, Eric Holder, wrote a brief in the Heller case supporting the position that you have no right to have a working firearm in your own home. In making this determination, the bill says, “there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.” In plain English this means that ANY firearm ever obtained by federal officers or the military is not suitable for the public.

The last part is particularly clever, stating that a firearm doesn’t have a sporting purpose just because it can be used for sporting purpose — is that devious or what? And of course, “sporting purpose” is a rights infringement with no constitutional or historical support whatsoever, invented by domestic enemies of the right to keep and bear arms to further their cause of disarming the innocent.

Respectfully submitted, Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America http://www.gunlaws.com/gloa.htm

This is pretty extensive, especially the vague language toward the end... Better stock up while we still can. Such a release of information is only making the public frenzy to purchase these weapons worse and thus flooding the market with "the bad guns". :roll:
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Re: ****Obama's Gun Ban List****

Postby 4dawgma » Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:37 pm

The sky is falling!!!
Where'd who go?
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Re: ****Obama's Gun Ban List****

Postby MSDawg870 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:41 pm

Saw a tshirt the other day that read "When they come for your guns, be sure to give em your ammo first."
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Re: ****Obama's Gun Ban List****

Postby 1010 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:41 pm

I picked up an M&P 15 Monday I wish I had got 3 or 4 of them now.
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Re: ****Obama's Gun Ban List****

Postby stang67 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:50 pm

I don't think that's authentic. I look for a reinstatement of the old ban.
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Re: ****Obama's Gun Ban List****

Postby 1010 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:58 pm

stang67 wrote:I don't think that's authentic. I look for a reinstatement of the old ban.
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Re: ****Obama's Gun Ban List****

Postby cwink » Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:49 am

stang67 wrote:I don't think that's authentic. I look for a reinstatement of the old ban.

That is pretty much the old ban.. Here is the old ban


Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Bayonet mount
Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
Grenade launcher (more precisely, a muzzle device that enables launching or firing rifle grenades, though this applies only to muzzle mounted grenade launchers and not those mounted externally).

Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
Barrel shroud that can be used as a hand-hold
Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm.

Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:

Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Fixed capacity of more than 5 rounds
Detachable magazine.
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Re: ****Obama's Gun Ban List****

Postby farmerc83 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:24 am

It's obvious by looking at historical facts, politics are the only reason school shootings trigger these type of gun ban discussions.

Luke Woodham, committed his violent act 3 years after the ban became effective and didn't even use banned weapons. 5 years into the Clinton gun ban, one of the Columbine killers carried a Tec-9 with one 52, one 32, and one 28-round magazine, so the ban did nothing to deter that. The list of school shootings in America is attached, dating back to the 1800s. From scanning thru it, it appears that the surge of indiscriminate, random school killings came right in the middle of the 1994 Assault Weapon Ban.

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Re: ****Obama's Gun Ban List****

Postby gps4 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:34 am

farmerc83 wrote:It's obvious by looking at historical facts, politics are the only reason school shootings trigger these type of gun ban discussions.

Luke Woodham, committed his violent act 3 years after the ban became effective and didn't even use banned weapons. 5 years into the Clinton gun ban, one of the Columbine killers carried a Tec-9 with one 52, one 32, and one 28-round magazine, so the ban did nothing to deter that. The list of school shootings in America is attached, dating back to the 1800s. From scanning thru it, it appears that the surge of indiscriminate, random school killings came right in the middle of the 1994 Assault Weapon Ban.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sc ... ted_States

Anybody know off the top of their head how many school shootings were limited by an educator/guards use/possession of a firearm?

If my recollection is correct, a vice principal with a handgun was instrumental in the pearl shooting and may have kept the number of people killed lower than otherwise might have been.
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Re: ****Obama's Gun Ban List****

Postby farmerc83 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:49 am

gps4 wrote:
farmerc83 wrote:It's obvious by looking at historical facts, politics are the only reason school shootings trigger these type of gun ban discussions.

Luke Woodham, committed his violent act 3 years after the ban became effective and didn't even use banned weapons. 5 years into the Clinton gun ban, one of the Columbine killers carried a Tec-9 with one 52, one 32, and one 28-round magazine, so the ban did nothing to deter that. The list of school shootings in America is attached, dating back to the 1800s. From scanning thru it, it appears that the surge of indiscriminate, random school killings came right in the middle of the 1994 Assault Weapon Ban.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sc ... ted_States

Anybody know off the top of their head know how many school shootings were limited by an educator/guards use/possession of a firearm?

If my recollection is correct, a vice principal with a handgun was instrumental in the pearl shooting and may have kept the number of people killed lower than otherwise might have been.
You are correct. He retreived a .45 revolver from his car and stopped Woodham.
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Re: ****Obama's Gun Ban List****

Postby Deltamud77 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:06 am

The only way there is a ban is via executive order and I don't think Obama has the stones to go that route...it will be a disaster for him in the midterms. Another ban will not pass Congress. I look for waiting periods on "assault rifle" purchases and magazine limits...nothing more. Maybe a tax on the purchase of an assault weapon similar to purchasing a suppressor and a registration requirement with prevention of transfer to another person without registration.

This is a loser argument for the democrats that are trying to take back the house in the midterms. If they overplay their hand, not only will they not win back the House, they will likely lose the Senate too.
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Postby teul2 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:07 pm

When is the last time any of those named guns were used in any "atrosity" like the school shooting?
The LA bank robbery?

Didn't the CT school shooter use a glock and a sig pistols?
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Postby umrebs » Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:13 pm

teul2 wrote:When is the last time any of those named guns were used in any "atrosity" like the school shooting?
The LA bank robbery?

Didn't the CT school shooter use a glock and a sig pistols?
I believe he also used a Bushmaster .223 which is on that list...
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Postby teul2 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 2:29 pm

ok, I was unaware of an AR in this incident.
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Postby slayem » Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:45 pm

teul2 wrote:ok, I was unaware of an AR in this incident.
I believe the AR was left in the car.. What i heard one time anyhow! This media is so unreliable, they will tell you one thing and then 15 mins tell you something totally different

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