Obama and Gays

[levi127]

Well now he supports the marriage and everything between same sex. When before elected or 1st in he was completely against it. I guess its another move to try to win more votes

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20 ... rried?lite

[Deltamud77]

He is just picking issues he thinks will get him re-elected.

[rawalley]

bunch'a gay boys

[RedEyed Duck]

Good for nothing piece of trash with no moral fiber! My bible tells me that this ain't ok........

[Seymore]

He wanted to straddle the fence on this issue as long as possible but he was forced to state his blessing for it after Biden made his comment last Sunday. He had or has a fund raiser coming up with a big gay group in New York and didn't need the Biden comment looming without coming out, pardon the pun, himself in favor of it. Add the North Carolina amendment that passed overwhelmingly and he just cound't alienate that voting block.

Gonna be interesting to see how Obama and Romney try to define themselves in the coming months. The moderate vote is what is going to win the next election. Right now I think people are hurting enough financially that either candidate can win if they can connect with voters on the economy and middle voters believe the candidate will be able to deliver on the economy.

[ol'man]

This guys an IDIOT; but ya'll already knew that. (I hope)

[farmerc83]

Gonna be interesting to see how Obama and Romney try to define themselves in the coming months. The moderate vote is what is going to win the next election. Right now I think people are hurting enough financially that either candidate can win if they can connect with voters on the economy and middle voters believe the candidate will be able to deliver on the economy.

Maybe my "conservative-colored glasses" are skewing my opinion, but Romney seems much more moderate than Obama. It's even frustrating at times how moderate Romney is when he deflects questions about social issues, referring to them as individual state's decisions. Romney seems blue dog-ish....socially a little left and fiscally a little right, and I'm cool with that since the hard core right's "YOU CANT DO THAT" agenda will never win another national election. Let's start trimming back the entitlements, all of them, and get our education system moving the right direction. Then we can have the discussion about gays, abortion and women's rights.

What is the #1 cause of divorce in the US? Its handling of finances...not sex, whether or not to have a baby, or dividing chores based on historical gender norms. Could it possibly be best for our country to prioritize similarly?

[Deltamud77]

While certainly important, Obama, in and of itself, supporting gay marriage is not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. He cannot do anything to force gay marriage, or the recognition thereof, on this country outside of appointing ultra-lib supreme court justices that over-exceed their authority.

Like Romney said, correctly I might add, this is a state issue. States issue marriage licenses. I think thirty states have come out against gay marriage through referendums and the like.

Don't fall for the trap. Obama and the democrats know they cannot run on their record, so they are constantly building strawmen to conquer in order to win re-election. First it was the war of women, then the war of blacks (Trayvon), now it is the war on gays. The Ds are playing the social politics game and trying to rally as many special interest groups as possible and get them to the polls in mass.

Obama has been a fiscal disaster. His judicial appointments are laughable. His justice department is out of control. He lies at every turn. Unemployment is up 25%. More people are on welfare, food stamps and unemployment benefits than at any time in the last 50 years. The only reason unemployment numbers are falling is because so many are leaving the workforce altogether.

The only thing he can run on is killing OBL, getting out of Iraq and these social political issues. They are building a strawman to blow it over...they are attempting to define the game and make up the rules. This is easy because they control the media. Just be wise to it...I hope Romney is and sticks to the message, it is about the economy - that is all.

[farmerc83]

^^^Add the Hispanics to the special interest groups that Ds are trying to appeal to.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47363994/ns ... nd_courts/

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05 ... latestnews

[@work]

Hopefully, this will help the Republicans more than the Dems. The folks that agree with Obama on the issue were going to vote for him anyway. However, the independents that are still straddling the fence may be more likely to vote against him due to this.

[kb7722]

While certainly important, Obama, in and of itself, supporting gay marriage is not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. He cannot do anything to force gay marriage, or the recognition thereof, on this country outside of appointing ultra-lib supreme court justices that over-exceed their authority....

Obama did not have the power to force health care reform on this country, but he some how convinced the legislative branch that they answered to him and not the american people and here we are today.

[Seymore]

[quote="farmerc83What is the #1 cause of divorce in the US? Its handling of finances...not sex, whether or not to have a baby, or dividing chores based on historical gender norms. Could it possibly be best for our country to prioritize similarly?[/quote]

Actually, the number one cause of divorce is the MISHANDLING of finaces. So the country and those marriages falling apart because of finances are already similar.

[Deltamud77]

While certainly important, Obama, in and of itself, supporting gay marriage is not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. He cannot do anything to force gay marriage, or the recognition thereof, on this country outside of appointing ultra-lib supreme court justices that over-exceed their authority....

Obama did not have the power to force health care reform on this country, but he some how convinced the legislative branch that they answered to him and not the american people and here we are today.

Actually, they could use the commerce as well as the necessary and proper clauses to at least make the argument legislatively that they can control healthcare (which they do for all intents and purposes anyway with medicare and medicaid). They will LIKELY lose that argument as is currently being decided. Obama has ZERO constitutional grounds to mandate that states allow homosexuals to get married in their state. The nearest thing he could do, with the aid of the USSC, would be to make states that do not allow gay marriage honor the gay marriages of other states that do allow for it using full faith and credit (contract law) as the mechanism.

If Obama, by executive order, somehow attempted to make states give marriage licenses to homosexuals, I honestly think you might see a large number (greater than 3 - which would be huge) actually seriously discuss secession as their is really not constitutional basis whatsoever for him to be able to do that.

Like I said above, don't allow these social issues to cloud your judgment. This would not have even been mentioned by Obama except for Biden's recent comments.

[Po Monkey Lounger]

Obama, in and of itself, supporting gay marriage is not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. He cannot do anything to force gay marriage, or the recognition thereof, on this country outside of appointing ultra-lib supreme court justices that over-exceed their authority.

Yep. His proclamation of support for gay marriage was immediately watered down when he said that he supports the individual state's rights to choose on this issue. This helps him with the gay community to some degree, but allows him off the hook a bit with his afro-american supporters (who generally do not support gay marriage). He had to do something after Biden's comments, and he is still trying to ride the fence as much as he can. Typical Obama.

This is not really a huge issue to me. I would be in support of laws that create civil unions recognized by the government. Civil unions (similar to being joined in matrimony by a JP or Judge) would be available for traditional couples and same sex couples. "Marriage" would be recognized by the government as a form of civil union, but would be under the authority of the church sanctioning the marriage. I do NOT think that we should force churches to "marry" gay couples when such goes against the doctrine of the particular church. While some may say this is just semantics, I think that keeping the distinction between "marriage" (under authority of the church) and a civil union is very important. While gay people should be entitled to the same civil rights as everyone else (and they would have such rights under what I proposed), they should not be able to demand religious acceptance or moral equivalence. God loves us all unconditionally, but does not have unconditional love of our actions and deeds. I am not certain that the state laws prohibiting gays from having equivalent civil rights is constitutional. But, until such a ruling by our Supreme Court (USSC), I am also ok with the states having the right to decide the issue and not having such an issue forced upon them by the federal government. But, however one feels about this issue, the bottom line is that this issue is not going to make a hill of beans difference in putting food on my (or your) table or improving my life.

One thing about all of this that I find amusing is that after all the hullabaloo about allowing gay marriage/unions in the states that now allow it, is that there is usually an initial rush of such joinders (by those that have been waiting to be able to do it) and then its pretty much over, with such joinders being in the small minority and fairly infrequent. In other words, the total number of people who this issue would really affect is, in the grand scheme of things, a very small number (a very small percentage of the total population). Thus, allowing such unions is not going to open the flood gates to a den of sin --- no more than what we already have.

[JDgator]

You just know Biden was given a spanking because of this. They've got him locked in his room with the fisher-price phone and coloring books now.