Eli

[ThemRducks]

Yes a QB touches the ball more than a wide out, and is responible for alot more than a wide out. Thats why a QB should get H-man over a wide out, he makes all the calls and checks,puts dumb backs and wide outs in the right position, picks up reads, runs and throws, and calls blocking schemes for dumb lineman. The h-man is not given to the best athelet it is given to the most valuable player in football. If white was gone OU would still be good, if Fitz was gone Pitt would may have loss one more game, if Manning was gone Ole Miss would have lost 6 games! And I'm a season ticket holder who goes to every game saying that.
Eli will be drafted first because White will say another year a Rivers is to dumb. Eli got the shaft! but he'll get his in NFL.

[Ducks&Bucks18]

Quit looking through your red and blue glasses buddy. Eli will win on draft day without a doubt, but it was pretty easy to see he wasn't going to win the heisman. The heisman seems to be a curse anyway, so you should be happy. Peyton, yea, he got the shaft, Eli didn't.

[gps4]

how would someone go about rating the best quarterback? would you look at td passes, passing yards, interceptions, qb rating, performance with respect to difficulty of schedule?

seems i heard or read somewhere that eli was 13 td passes short of white, some three hundred yards shy of white in the passing category, and threw three more interceptions this year. according to espn, white is at the top of the qb rating list while eli is at 22. i'm not exactly clear about the technical aspects of the tougher schedule but i do seem to remember some team from mississippi having trouble with vanderbuilt, memphis, and south carolina.

ive always heard that the numbers dont lie.

[hillhunter]

Yeah your right numbers don't lie. I'm not familiar with these numbers, but what is the average speed and rating of an Oklahoma receiver, how many pass plays does OU run per game, what is the average size and speed of the front 5 for OU. Take these numbers and compare them against Ole Miss's and I'll bet they are all better. And White only had 300 hundred more yards? Dang, he might not have been that good, hmmm. Oklahoma was the undisputed best team in the country until two weeks ago, no one and mean no one predicted them to lose this year.

I'm not taking anything from Ole Miss, they had a very good team this year. They are half the reason Eli got as far as he did. Why can't somebody from Mississippi swallow their maroon and white pride and say "Hey this kid put up very good numbers with a top 20 (not top 5) football team." You don't think he's not the best because he isn't, you think he's not the best b/c he's beat you 2 out of three times.

[RebelYelp]

alright, i was tryin to stay out of this one from here on, but........


GPS, true, we may have had trouble with Vandy, Memphis, TEXAS TECH, i wouldnt' call SC trouble, we just played a bad quarter. However, it wasn't the offenses fault in any of those games. We beat Vandy, who by the way gave Georgia and Florida a good game. The other two you can hardly put any fault on the offense, anytime you put up 38 and 44 points in a game and lose, i don't see how you can blame hte offense for the loss. Eli did bad against LSU, White did bad against K State, and Fitz did bad against Miami. of the 3, LSU's D is ranked MUCH higher. Not that that matters any, but everybody always seems to want to compare to who lost to who and how good was that team, and the team we lost to was ranked higher than the team you lost to.

Jake

[gps4]

im not taking anything away from eli manning, but i certainly dont think he is the best quarterback in the nation. of course he put up great numbers, but i thought we were talking about the best quarterback, not who put up good numbers.

hillhunter, i looked it up on espn.com and it appears as though white had only 4 more attempts than eli and a better completion percentage.

and by the way, he's not the best because he isnt, not becasue he beat MS state 2 out of three times. you dont know who i pull for.

[hillhunter]

gps4 that wasn't aimed at you in particular (sorry if offended). good research....i could be wrong....i have been before....just real hard to get me to admit it. I still think that the supporting cast (the teams) made the difference.

[mossyisland]

Just imagine this Eli playing for Ok. Heck i could put up Whites numbers with that team. Think about this way, Which team would be where they were if it wasn't for these players. I think it would be Ole Miss then Pitt then Ok.

[jroc]

The Mannings no titles, no championships, no heismans, no nothing but a local name that only gets some attention a little outside the state of MS. They are good players but the family is cursed with coming up short.........

[Unlucky Ducky]

coming up short????????????? Dude how many records does Peyton own at UT & Indy? What kind of team did Indy have before Peyton arrived? They hadn't seen the playoffs consistently until Peyton arrived. Eli re-wrote the record book at Ms. He'll be the first QB taken in the draft. BOth Peyton and Eli will have more $$$ than most folks can dream about.

If I'm not mistaken Archie lead Ms. to a lot of wins in his days.

The entire Manning family are class acts. They don't gloat in their triumphs, they don't pull sharpies out and sign footballs after TD's (Terrel Owens), they don't make cell phone calls after Td's (Joe Horn). Yeah, Peyton didn't win a National Title in college, he hasn't won a Super Bowl, Eli didn't even win the SEC west, but they don't make excuses, they have worked hard to get to where they are at are succussful........to me thats a winner.

[jroc]

Are we talking about winning the highest prizes or what? They have records at schools and on pro teams but not one nationally. The Mannings may be great folks but they have the misfortune of being associated with teams that don't make it to the top. Archie held records at Ole Miss but other than the SEC did he win a national championship? And then to have to play for the N.O. Saints for his NFL career .........

Peyton hyped all over the place and then........fell short. Set records at UT but no championship, nothing BIG in the trophy case. He's playing good in the NFL for the Colts and may make it to the big game some day but once again he's on a team that has a coach that can't seem to make it to the top either so time will tell. And as far as Eli goes well Ole Miss is going to the Cotton Bowl , in his career they never won the SEC and came up short again this year. On a national level that's not making much of a statement for a player to win the Hiesman. Like it was stated before, the trophy is not really a great thing to win. How many of those players go on to have great NFL careers? BTW anyone seen Danny Weurfel (sp?)????? And OJ used his as part of his wrongful death payment for killing some folks .

Now Eli will go high in the draft this year. There are some pro teams that really need a QB and some of those have SB potential but the local Manning hype drives me nuts.

Now I have a few questions. Out of all the greats past and present in the NFL how many are from MS (as in state not as in Ole Miss)? How many of those went to small schools? And how many won national collegent titles and awards?

[bklane1]

Does it really matter how many titles each of them have? We are sitting here talking about them like we could do better. But Peyton and Eli (soon) are the two that are getting paid. And their checks will be there regardless of what we say or think of their abilities. They play a team sport... so saying that THEY can't win a championship should not rest entirely on their shoulders. Eli could have ended this season 11-1 (still probably lose to LSU) going into a bowl if Ole Miss's defense would have stood up against some lesser opponents. I am not trying to offend anyone, but there will always be critics and people who disagree. But out of the 4 H-man finalists, I honestly believe Eli did the most with the least (weak defense & running game). Just my $.02.