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Postby Wingman » Fri Nov 07, 2003 6:30 pm

I hear the same thing, Judge. Some warden friends of mine tell me writing the ticket means nothing unless they can convince the court that the offender is guilty. Has to be frustrating to say the least.

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Postby Duckwarden » Fri Nov 07, 2003 9:23 pm

Question 1: In most counties if a person is caught baiting they pay around $100. Should be $500.
Most baiters pay $100 or more on bait in a year.

Question 2: yes

Question 3: no

Question 4 & 5: I had rather someone call me with a question than
write them a citation.

Question 6: I agree 100%. Most schools aren't concerned with
hunting and fishing. We deal with guns.

Question 7: Work 6 or 7 straight nights trying to catch headlighters. H*## no.
Remember we have to work those baiters during the
day.

Question 8: see # 7

Question 9: yes, to much trash in our great outdoors.

Question 10: you have some in every occupation.

Question 11: Deal with hunters (some drinking) with guns. You had better be serious.

Question 12 & 13: I would love to spend some weekends on the couch. I thought about putting an honor box in the front yard. I could sign a few tickets and if
you messed up just come on by and fill one out.

and finally,

THE GAME WARDEN'S LAMENT


If the game warden asks to see your license, he's insulting.
If he takes your word for having one, he's corrupt.

If he arrests a violator, he's showing how rough he can be.
If he gives the culprit another chance, he's showing favoritism.

If he labors day and night to enforce the law, he's a tyrant.
If he relaxes at all, he's a shirker an a crook.

If he talks fish and game conservation, he's maudlin.
If he keeps quiet, he's not interested in his work.

If he accepts suggestions or advice, he's incompetent.
If he works out problems for himself, he's a know-all.

If he acts like a gentleman, he's too easy.
If he acts firm, he's unfair and a rascal.

Ashes to Ashes
Dust to Dust.
If the sportsman won't do it,
The Game Warden must!


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Postby Wingman » Fri Nov 07, 2003 9:40 pm

Warden, you said a mouthful.

Maybe being an insulting, incompetent tyrant and a rough, know it all rascal isn't such a bad thing.

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Postby dedux » Fri Nov 07, 2003 11:46 pm

Tunica, you may be right about those two guys being decoys. I guarantee they will be excellent decoys, too, because neither one of 'em sho nuf ain't got no real life body movement, except when the fresh coffee and hot biscuits come outta the cafe kitchen!!! It's a joke for miles around, no kiddin'!!! One of 'em was even having a young'un born, and waited at the cafe, instead of with his wife at the hospital!!!
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Postby Wingman » Sat Nov 08, 2003 5:41 pm

Trash Squeezes Turtle
Discarded O-Ring Deforms Snapper

LAWRENCE - How does litter effect wildlife? A turtle on display at the Lawrence Parks and Recreation Department's Prairie Park Nature Center shows the effects an o-ring had on a turtle. The turtle, a female common snapping turtle caught by a fisherman in the area, was brought to the nature center by a conservation officer with the Department of Wildlife and Parks. It is believed to be approximately eight years old.

When the turtle was brought to the nature center, it had an o-ring around its shell. Growth of its midsection had been so severely restricted that its shell was squeezed tight in the middle. The turtle's body had grown around the o-ring, creating a "waist" in the middle of its shell. Judging from the growth of the shell, the o-ring may have been around the turtle's shell for more than six years.

Marty Birrell, nature interpretive supervisor at Prairie Park Nature Center, is impressed that the turtle survived.

"It's just amazing that the turtle survived and grew with the o-ring around it for so long," Birrell said. "This really shows the effects that human garbage has on wildlife."

Birrell said the turtle is in good health but it may not be able to reproduce.

"You'd think it would be in a drastic condition with the ring around it for so long, but it is in relatively good health," Birrell said. "It probably won't be able to produce eggs like normal, but it seems to be healthy otherwise.

"It's important to dispose of trash properly," Birrell said. "Items that cannot be recycled should be thrown in trash cans. Even the littlest thing can cause serious harm to wildlife."

To view the turtle online, go to http://www.kdwp.state.ks.us/turtle.html. The turtle will be on display at Prairie Park Nature Center at least through the end of the year. Prairie Park Nature Center is located at 2730 Harper St. For more information, phone the center at (785) 832 3458.
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Postby Cousin Eddy » Sun Nov 09, 2003 12:32 pm

Lol this is one of those topics that it depends on where you hunt and who your warden is.

Number one I believe that Game Warden's are an excellant asset when we go out to hunt for several reasons but the most important to me is that if I am getting checked then that means my neighboors are getting checked. What I am saying is that I like the idea that everyone in the area is being checked for baiting, limits, ect. Now that I have that out of the way let me say this.

This past dove season in a certain county in MS we were checked by a Game Warden. Once entering the field he was the rudest Warden I have had the displeasure of dealing with. He told us that we were hunting over a baited field, (We had this field checked by Federal game wardens before we hunted it). He kept repeating over and over again that "The burden is on the hunter to know what he is hunting over." This is absolutely true and I could not agree more with this rule. But here is the kicker. We went back and forth with this guy saying that the field WAS legal. Now I understand that you guys cannot see the field but he kept saying that it is illegal to hunt over two crops. No where in the MS or Federal rules is it said that you cannot hunt over two crops. It is perfectly legal. HE SHOULD KNOW THIS.

It doesnt stop here though, Mr. Warden gets back in his truck and calls his superior and is told that the field is perfectly legal to check our guns and limits and move on. But this wonderful Warden gets back out and tells us that he is writing us a ticket but that he must decide if he is going to charge us on a state level or on a Federal level. We found out this information out by talking with this Wardens Captain. Now his Captain was great he was very professional and knowledgable. He came to our camp with his camcorder and filmed the field and took a formal complaint.

So that brings me to this conclusion. Yes the burden in on us hunters to know the rules and follow them but I am of the belief that there is a MUCH LARGER BURDEN on the game wardens to know the rules in which they enforce. Can you imagine going into work and not knowing how to do your job. This is my first negative experience with the MS Game Wardens in 27 years and it really makes me worry about who is being hired and that there are Wardens or at least one warden out there that do not know the laws in which they are paid to enforce.

If you are not competent in you job you should be trained again or terminated no doubt about it. I personally hope that this warden is let go or moved to a position that he can handle a little better so they can get one of the good guys in there.
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Postby Cousin Eddy » Sun Nov 09, 2003 12:33 pm

Lol this is one of those topics that it depends on where you hunt and who your warden is.

Number one I believe that Game Warden's are an excellant asset when we go out to hunt for several reasons but the most important to me is that if I am getting checked then that means my neighboors are getting checked. What I am saying is that I like the idea that everyone in the area is being checked for baiting, limits, ect. Now that I have that out of the way let me say this.

This past dove season in a certain county in MS we were checked by a Game Warden. Once entering the field he was the rudest Warden I have had the displeasure of dealing with. He told us that we were hunting over a baited field, (We had this field checked by Federal game wardens before we hunted it). He kept repeating over and over again that "The burden is on the hunter to know what he is hunting over." This is absolutely true and I could not agree more with this rule. But here is the kicker. We went back and forth with this guy saying that the field WAS legal. Now I understand that you guys cannot see the field but he kept saying that it is illegal to hunt over two crops. No where in the MS or Federal rules is it said that you cannot hunt over two crops. It is perfectly legal. HE SHOULD KNOW THIS.

It doesnt stop here though, Mr. Warden gets back in his truck and calls his superior and is told that the field is perfectly legal to check our guns and limits and move on. But this wonderful Warden gets back out and tells us that he is writing us a ticket but that he must decide if he is going to charge us on a state level or on a Federal level. We found out this information out by talking with this Wardens Captain. Now his Captain was great he was very professional and knowledgable. He came to our camp with his camcorder and filmed the field and took a formal complaint.

So that brings me to this conclusion. Yes the burden in on us hunters to know the rules and follow them but I am of the belief that there is a MUCH LARGER BURDEN on the game wardens to know the rules in which they enforce. Can you imagine going into work and not knowing how to do your job. This is my first negative experience with the MS Game Wardens in 27 years and it really makes me worry about who is being hired and that there are Wardens or at least one warden out there that do not know the laws in which they are paid to enforce.

If you are not competent in you job you should be trained again or terminated no doubt about it. I personally hope that this warden is let go or moved to a position that he can handle a little better so they can get one of the good guys in there.
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Postby Cousin Eddy » Sun Nov 09, 2003 12:34 pm

Lol this is one of those topics that it depends on where you hunt and who your warden is.

Number one I believe that Game Warden's are an excellant asset when we go out to hunt for several reasons but the most important to me is that if I am getting checked then that means my neighboors are getting checked. What I am saying is that I like the idea that everyone in the area is being checked for baiting, limits, ect. Now that I have that out of the way let me say this.

This past dove season in a certain county in MS we were checked by a Game Warden. Once entering the field he was the rudest Warden I have had the displeasure of dealing with. He told us that we were hunting over a baited field, (We had this field checked by Federal game wardens before we hunted it). He kept repeating over and over again that "The burden is on the hunter to know what he is hunting over." This is absolutely true and I could not agree more with this rule. But here is the kicker. We went back and forth with this guy saying that the field WAS legal. Now I understand that you guys cannot see the field but he kept saying that it is illegal to hunt over two crops. No where in the MS or Federal rules is it said that you cannot hunt over two crops. It is perfectly legal. HE SHOULD KNOW THIS.

It doesnt stop here though, Mr. Warden gets back in his truck and calls his superior and is told that the field is perfectly legal to check our guns and limits and move on. But this wonderful Warden gets back out and tells us that he is writing us a ticket but that he must decide if he is going to charge us on a state level or on a Federal level. We found out this information out by talking with this Wardens Captain. Now his Captain was great he was very professional and knowledgable. He came to our camp with his camcorder and filmed the field and took a formal complaint.

So that brings me to this conclusion. Yes the burden in on us hunters to know the rules and follow them but I am of the belief that there is a MUCH LARGER BURDEN on the game wardens to know the rules in which they enforce. Can you imagine going into work and not knowing how to do your job. This is my first negative experience with the MS Game Wardens in 27 years and it really makes me worry about who is being hired and that there are Wardens or at least one warden out there that do not know the laws in which they are paid to enforce.

If you are not competent in you job you should be trained again or terminated no doubt about it. I personally hope that this warden is let go or moved to a position that he can handle a little better so they can get one of the good guys in there.
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Postby Cousin Eddy » Sun Nov 09, 2003 12:36 pm

Lol this is one of those topics that it depends on where you hunt and who your warden is.

Number one I believe that Game Warden's are an excellant asset when we go out to hunt for several reasons but the most important to me is that if I am getting checked then that means my neighboors are getting checked. What I am saying is that I like the idea that everyone in the area is being checked for baiting, limits, ect. Now that I have that out of the way let me say this.

This past dove season in a certain county in MS we were checked by a Game Warden. Once entering the field he was the rudest Warden I have had the displeasure of dealing with. He told us that we were hunting over a baited field, (We had this field checked by Federal game wardens before we hunted it). He kept repeating over and over again that "The burden is on the hunter to know what he is hunting over." This is absolutely true and I could not agree more with this rule. But here is the kicker. We went back and forth with this guy saying that the field WAS legal. Now I understand that you guys cannot see the field but he kept saying that it is illegal to hunt over two crops. No where in the MS or Federal rules is it said that you cannot hunt over two crops. It is perfectly legal. HE SHOULD KNOW THIS.

It doesnt stop here though, Mr. Warden gets back in his truck and calls his superior and is told that the field is perfectly legal to check our guns and limits and move on. But this wonderful Warden gets back out and tells us that he is writing us a ticket but that he must decide if he is going to charge us on a state level or on a Federal level. We found out this information out by talking with this Wardens Captain. Now his Captain was great he was very professional and knowledgable. He came to our camp with his camcorder and filmed the field and took a formal complaint.

So that brings me to this conclusion. Yes the burden in on us hunters to know the rules and follow them but I am of the belief that there is a MUCH LARGER BURDEN on the game wardens to know the rules in which they enforce. Can you imagine going into work and not knowing how to do your job. This is my first negative experience with the MS Game Wardens in 27 years and it really makes me worry about who is being hired and that there are Wardens or at least one warden out there that do not know the laws in which they are paid to enforce.

If you are not competent in you job you should be trained again or terminated no doubt about it. I personally hope that this warden is let go or moved to a position that he can handle a little better so they can get one of the good guys in there.
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Postby hillhunter » Sun Nov 09, 2003 8:08 pm

I will admit that when I (and probabbly many others on this board) see a warden at my truck when coming out of the woods my stomach gets queezy. even if I know i'm legal i don't really like to see our local warden. i don't mind having my liscense checked because i know its the law, but i have been checked two days in a row by the same warden at the same place and have him ask me for my liscense both times, i think this is unnecesary, and a waste of tax payers money. However, there have been a couple of times that i have appreciated his work. We have people trespassing on our land a lot during hunting season (mainly people who like to run dogs). Usually when i call him he's there in 15 minutes or less and takes care of the problem. i know that he's also caught several people spotlighting on our property, which i am grateful for.

My point is this, when we see one riding down the road or grabbing a bite to eat, we like to call them lazy or a waste of money, but when we need them for help they usually come running. Overall i tink they are a very good investment for wildlife as a whole, but there are a few bad apples in every bunch. I would be interested in knowing how they are evaluated by their superiors.
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Postby hillhunter » Sun Nov 09, 2003 8:09 pm

I will admit that when I (and probabbly many others on this board) see a warden at my truck when coming out of the woods my stomach gets queezy. even if I know i'm legal i don't really like to see our local warden. i don't mind having my liscense checked because i know its the law, but i have been checked two days in a row by the same warden at the same place and have him ask me for my liscense both times, i think this is unnecesary, and a waste of tax payers money. However, there have been a couple of times that i have appreciated his work. We have people trespassing on our land a lot during hunting season (mainly people who like to run dogs). Usually when i call him he's there in 15 minutes or less and takes care of the problem. i know that he's also caught several people spotlighting on our property, which i am grateful for.

My point is this, when we see one riding down the road or grabbing a bite to eat, we like to call them lazy or a waste of money, but when we need them for help they usually come running. Overall i tink they are a very good investment for wildlife as a whole, but there are a few bad apples in every bunch. I would be interested in knowing how they are evaluated by their superiors.
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Postby RIP EM » Mon Nov 10, 2003 2:36 pm

Softcall, did you have to write those answers down, then post ?
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Are you, JUST THAT GOOD !!!???

That was funny ! (the no commentary) :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Postby Wingman » Mon Nov 10, 2003 7:06 pm

This is my first negative experience with the MS Game Wardens in 27 years and it really makes me worry about who is being hired and that there are Wardens or at least one warden out there that do not know the laws in which they are paid to enforce.


I've been told that the hiring process is very thorough. The weeding out begins long before the interview ever takes place. We're talking 150-160 applicants and only 10-20 are hired each year. And even after the interview, you must pass a thorough and extremely meticulous background check.

As far as training and knowing the laws, I understand that aspect is up to the State to train each officer. From what I hear, there is a 12 week training period in which all newly hired wardens must attend and be educated on every facet of hunting, trapping, fishing, etc. etc. that one will encounter while on the job. Not to say that everyone will learn everything and be locked and ready to rock when they ask for your license, but from what I've been told, the training is one of the most intensive there is.

Yes, all Mississippi conservation officer cadets go through the full course at the Mississippi Law Enforcement Officers Training Academy....10 weeks of which if you fail at any point, you are relieved of your training status and not hired. They tell me you can make it through the interviews, the background checks, the pre-physical and all, and if you can't do your pushups required at the beginning or end of your training, you are not hired.

Yeah, a few boogers get in the oatmeal, but hopefully very few.

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Postby BoogaBottom » Tue Nov 11, 2003 3:38 pm

Mybe Im wrong....but it seem to me, that "THE MAN" often spends a lot of time hastling guys that are doing 99% by the book,,,,searching trucks for a leadshot shell,,,,making you take off your waders and check for shells etc.....

and too little time getting what I consider to be the sure enough Game Hogs...the guys that I know who shoot 3-4 limits in a pit...breast em out in the pit....drink whiskey and smoke dem funny cigarettes in the pit, etc etc.....guys that shoot until its so dark you cant see.....etc etc

Maybe those guys are harder to catch...but maybe if "THE MAN" didnt spend an hour hastling the good guys for a relatively minor problem...there would be more time to track down the real Game Thugs ?

Maybe its just my perception....

With all that said...I havent been checked in at least 3 years...but before that, we were harassed every year for no apparent reason....maybe he didnt like out of state hunters ( although we own the land and have for about 5 generations !?)
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Postby tunica » Wed Nov 12, 2003 12:48 pm

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Mybe Im wrong....but it seem to me, that "THE MAN" often spends a lot of time hastling guys that are doing 99% by the book,,,,searching trucks for a leadshot shell,,,,making you take off your waders and check for shells etc.....

and too little time getting what I consider to be the sure enough Game Hogs...the guys that I know who shoot 3-4 limits in a pit...breast em out in the pit....drink whiskey and smoke dem funny cigarettes in the pit, etc etc.....guys that shoot until its so dark you cant see.....etc etc

Not sure if your just making a comment or you know people that are doing this if you know them then why have you not talked to the GM or call the fed's if you think he wont do anything about it. Every State and Federal Game warden I know would take care of those idiots asap.

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