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Postby duramax » Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:46 am

pntailhntr wrote:preach on brothers!!!


So Mr. "I am all for DU...but", it has become more than apparent that you have some personal vendetta out for DU. First it was feeding ducks. Then it was your rediculous statement of "HUGE" salaries, then it your rant on limits (that I guess is DU's fault too), and now it's refuges (not owned, managed, or controled, but merely improved by DU) that are now DU's fault too. Perhaps you should consider changing your name from "pntailhntr" to "vrbldiarrhea", because apparently the notion of thinking before speaking is lost upon you.
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Postby pntailhntr » Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:49 am

When was the last time DU stepped up to the plate and did something for the HUNTERS. I know what they have done for conservation and preserving wetlands which is wonderful and we all appreciate and hope it all continues. BUT, when was the last time DU steppped up to the plate and actually went to bat for what the hunters were asking for. Limits, Dates, etc???? Clue us in on all that and maybe some minds can be changed.

And lets be cordial today people!!! I apoligized for yesterday, some others haven't
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Postby pntailhntr » Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:51 am

duramax wrote:
pntailhntr wrote:preach on brothers!!!


So Mr. "I am all for DU...but", it has become more than apparent that you have some personal vendetta out for DU. First it was feeding ducks. Then it was your rediculous statement of "HUGE" salaries, then it your rant on limits (that I guess is DU's fault too), and now it's refuges (not owned, managed, or controled, but merely improved by DU) that are now DU's fault too. Perhaps you should consider changing your name from "pntailhntr" to "vrbldiarrhea", because apparently the notion of thinking before speaking is lost upon you.



He is lost people, lets all have a moment of silence and say a prayer for him! :(
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Postby JaMak84 » Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:04 am

pntailhntr wrote:When was the last time DU stepped up to the plate and did something for the HUNTERS. I know what they have done for conservation and preserving wetlands which is wonderful and we all appreciate and hope it all continues. BUT, when was the last time DU steppped up to the plate and actually went to bat for what the hunters were asking for. Limits, Dates, etc???? Clue us in on all that and maybe some minds can be changed.

And lets be cordial today people!!! I apoligized for yesterday, some others haven't


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DU's vision and mission statements make no mention of helping hunters. Their goal is to improve waterfowl habitat and population, not how many ducks we're allowed to shoot or when we're allowed to shoot them.
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Postby cwink » Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:13 am

Ok let me go out on a limb here and ask a stupid question. Everyone keeps complaining about the ducks aren't here like the good old days. And from what I read the good old days were the some 20-30 years ago. As anyone ever stop to think that maybe there are just as many ducks, but that are more dispersed than they used to be. I mean did people really pump holes full of water 20 or 30 years ago. Or did they just go where the ducks are. Today I think there are more people creating habitat by pumping water into holes or even catfish farming.
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Postby Bullet » Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:18 am

cwinkler wrote:Ok let me go out on a limb here and ask a stupid question. Everyone keeps complaining about the ducks aren't here like the good old days. And from what I read the good old days were the some 20-30 years ago. As anyone ever stop to think that maybe there are just as many ducks, but that are more dispersed than they used to be. I mean did people really pump holes full of water 20 or 30 years ago. Or did they just go where the ducks are. Today I think there are more people creating habitat by pumping water into holes or even catfish farming.


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Postby cwink » Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:31 am

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cwinkler wrote:Ok let me go out on a limb here and ask a stupid question. Everyone keeps complaining about the ducks aren't here like the good old days. And from what I read the good old days were the some 20-30 years ago. As anyone ever stop to think that maybe there are just as many ducks, but that are more dispersed than they used to be. I mean did people really pump holes full of water 20 or 30 years ago. Or did they just go where the ducks are. Today I think there are more people creating habitat by pumping water into holes or even catfish farming.


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Postby Blackduck » Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:35 am

To play devils advocate cwink:

It is mid Dec. Midwest has had a good start to some cold weather. Wundergound.com shows b/t 2-12 inches of snow from southeren Mo all the way to Santa's house. There is little water here. Very Very little water. Where are the ducks? Why are they not here.

Don't say 80 degrees. The high temp may have something to do with it but the ducks don't check wether.com before they leave. I don't have a good answer. More grain planted probably, more hunters, probabably, no till farming probably.

The last "good ole days" I remember were in 1999-2000-2001.
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Postby duramax » Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:36 am

pntailhntr wrote:
duramax wrote:
pntailhntr wrote:preach on brothers!!!


So Mr. "I am all for DU...but", it has become more than apparent that you have some personal vendetta out for DU. First it was feeding ducks. Then it was your rediculous statement of "HUGE" salaries, then it your rant on limits (that I guess is DU's fault too), and now it's refuges (not owned, managed, or controled, but merely improved by DU) that are now DU's fault too. Perhaps you should consider changing your name from "pntailhntr" to "vrbldiarrhea", because apparently the notion of thinking before speaking is lost upon you.



He is lost people, lets all have a moment of silence and say a prayer for him! :(


I'm lost. So you weren't the one that started this slanderous thread that had to do with DU feeding duck to short stop them, make false statements about huge salaries? Do I need to hold your hand and read to you what you wrote? Go hang out with some other knee-jerk reactionaries that love to spout off lies and hold them to be true and bitch and whine. But when you get the facts put back in your face, don't go dancing around with you fingers in your ears saying "la-la-la...I can't hear you" like you have done this entire thread. You say you want to have a mature, adult debate, but you have been nothing but childish.

Here. You don't want to read what people have so graciously written for you on what DU does for us hunters, here it is again from Chad:

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Projects on Public Lands in Mississippi and Louisiana Increase Hunting Opportunities

RIDGELAND, Miss., December 6, 2007 – Duck hunting has been highly variable in the South in recent winters. Biologists can point to no single cause, but mild weather through the winter period is surely a significant factor. When Old Man Winter does make an appearance, however, Ducks Unlimited is working to assure that sufficient habitat exists in the South to accommodate waterfowl and waterfowl hunters.

To date, Ducks Unlimited has completed 51 projects on public lands in Louisiana and 58 in Mississippi, including many state and federal lands that provide waterfowl hunting opportunities.

In Mississippi, projects like the ongoing one at Malmaison Wildlife Management Area not only provide improved habitat for wintering waterfowl, but also increase hunting opportunities in the state.

“Our engineering and biological staff have an ambitious workload planned for the forthcoming year in Mississippi,” said Chris Cole, Director of Conservation Programs in Mississippi. “Plans include Phase III of the wetlands development at Coldwater National Wildlife Refuge, infrastructure upgrades to two wetland tracts on Delta National Forest and restoration work at Malmaison WMA.”

The Ducks Unlimited Southern Regional Office, located in Ridgeland, MS, carries out conservation programs in 15 southern states that include some of the most important wintering habitat on the continent.

Two-thirds of North America’s waterfowl spend the winter in Ducks Unlimited’s Southern Region. Ducks and geese depend on habitat at southern latitudes to feed, rest, and build vital energy reserves. Research shows the quality of habitat on the wintering grounds affects winter survival rates and the physical condition of birds returning north. Better wintering habitat may lead to a more productive nesting season, and more ducks flying south in the fall.

Ducks Unlimited also works hard to protect habitat in the Prairie Pothole Region because efforts there have a direct impact on ducks in the South. Known as the “duck factory”, breeding grounds across the Northern U.S. and Canada produce the vast majority of waterfowl wintering in the South.

“Our science tells us there is no place on this continent where we can have a bigger impact on waterfowl populations than the prairies,” said Dr. Curtis Hopkins, Director of the Southern Region of Ducks Unlimited. Unfortunately, we are seeing wholesale destruction of critical nesting habitat in the prairies.

“We need solid support from southern duck hunters to maintain the necessary habitat base in the prairies that will yield fall flights to support liberal seasons. If we continue to lose grasslands and wetlands in the prairies, restrictive seasons could be the norm and closed seasons could be a real possibility,” said Dr. Scott Stephens, Director of Conservation Planning for Ducks Unlimited’s Great Plains Office in Bismarck, North Dakota.

“Ducks Unlimited will continue to keep this critical conservation focus now and in the future, but that doesn’t mean we are ignoring vital wintering and migration areas,” Hopkins said.

Many waterfowl produced in the prairies, especially mallards, find the bottomland hardwood forests of the Mississippi Alluvial Valley ideal wintering habitat. However, nearly 80 percent of those forests were cleared for agriculture and other purposes, and over 50 percent of the wetlands have been lost.

The Wetlands Reserve Program, administered by USDA Natural Resources Conservation Service, has restored more than 500,000 wetland acres in Arkansas, Louisiana, and Mississippi. Ducks Unlimited has played an important role in the restoration work on land enrolled in WRP. Those lands are now providing important habitat for waterfowl and other wetland associated wildlife.

For some waterfowl, the MAV is not a final destination, but a stopover on the way to another continentally important wintering area - the Gulf Coast.

Coastal wetlands provide vital winter habitat for waterfowl, but large areas have been lost or degraded. For example, Louisiana alone has lost over 1 million acres of coastal wetlands that were among the most productive in North America. Today, natural and human-induced changes have severely compromised the region’s ability to support waterfowl.

“Historically, the Gulf Coast has wintered upwards of 13 million ducks and 1.5 million geese. That is why this area is among Ducks Unlimited’s highest priorities,” said Jerry Holden, Director of Conservation Programs in Louisiana. Ducks Unlimited has committed $15 million to restore wetlands in coastal Louisiana through its ongoing Wetlands for Tomorrow campaign.

Ducks Unlimited and its partners work hard continent-wide to make certain there are sufficient wetlands to fill the skies with waterfowl today, tomorrow, and forever. Without the support of our members and conservation partners in the South, that mission can never be achieved.
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Postby Bullet » Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:37 am

If one honestly believes that once you enter southern Mizzou and head North in whatever direction you choose that you will see nothing but snow and ice and no ducks, ............. You smokin Crack :shock:
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Postby cwink » Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:41 am

Blackduck wrote:To play devils advocate cwink:

It is mid Dec. Midwest has had a good start to some cold weather. Wundergound.com shows b/t 2-12 inches of snow from southeren Mo all the way to Santa's house. There is little water here. Very Very little water. Where are the ducks? Why are they not here.

Don't say 80 degrees. The high temp may have something to do with it but the ducks don't check wether.com before they leave. I don't have a good answer. More grain planted probably, more hunters, probabably, no till farming probably.

The last "good ole days" I remember were in 1999-2000-2001.



Yeah that year was great hunting on the Rez for me too. Because it was so dry that the Rez was about the only place you had water. I had to walk out 3-400 yards off the bank just to get to the water.

Let me try it this way..

20 years ago there were let's say 20 Million ducks and 20k duck holes here in the south. On average that is 1,000 ducks per hole.

Today lets say there are still 20 milliong ducks, but now there are 40k duck holes, your average drops to 500 ducks per hole.

To you it looks like there are less ducks, but there are not.. Just more places for them to go..
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Postby pntailhntr » Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:43 am

Hey Duramax, I can't really tell becuase the picture is so small, but is that a DU TATTOO on your forehead, hard to tell, sure looks like it. :?
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Postby duramax » Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:51 am

pntailhntr wrote:Hey Duramax, I can't really tell becuase the picture is so small, but is that a DU TATTOO on your forehead, hard to tell, sure looks like it. :?


Wow. Everytime I give you info, you dicide your feeble quips, that you believe are belittling, make your case stonger. They say the only thing worse than and ignorant person, is one that is that way by choice.

I await your cute retort that I know you just can't wait to say.
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Postby pntailhntr » Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:57 am

I don't believe your Tattoo is going to make my case stronger, I just thought it was neat. Did it hurt?? :?
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Postby gator » Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:02 am

these threads make me sad

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