What do y'all think of Trump?

[davidees]

Oh he’s DEFINITELY triggered lol!

[Wildfowler]

Hahahahahaha

I would encourage you to quit betting against Trump. That’s a losing battle every time.

[YoBenny]

Here's my nay to your say ya dweebs

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/a ... he-economy

[Wildfowler]

Do you have any original thoughts on that article or do we just take the headline as fact?

[YoBenny]

I would suggest actually reading it so you dont sound like such an ignorant moron on here.

[Wildfowler]

Back to name calling I see? Did you actually read it did you stop at the headline just like you did with that debt chart you put up the other day?

Here’s my thoughts:

TRUMP: “We’re having the best economy we’ve ever had in the history of our country.” — remarks in Granite City, Illinois.

OMG Impeach!!! Trump said the economy is as good as its ever been.

Economy is doing a lot better than it has been doing in the recent past. The rest is a little exaggeration.

Americans have ramped up their spending after cutting back in the first three months of the year, encouraged by tax cuts that have left more money in their pockets. Yet the tax cuts provide a one-time lift to take-home pay and will likely have less impact next year, analysts say.

That’s wrong. Anyone who received a bonus did receive a one time amount of money. But anyone who is employed and receives a W-2 is currently having less money withheld from their paycheck. They can either consciously save that money, or they can spend it on their day-to-day lives. But it’s more money in their pocket every paycheck, not a one time event.

A large, temporary surge in agricultural exports, specifically soybeans, should also juice growth in the second quarter. Exports of U.S. soybeans soared as companies sought to ship them to China before that country slapped tariffs on them in retaliation for U.S. tariffs on Chinese goods. Daniel Silver, an economist at JPMorgan Chase, forecast that soybean exports alone likely boosted GDP by 0.5 percentage point in the second quarter.

True. It’s been documented that China in particular did over book on American soybeans to try and manipulate our political environment. China thought they could create a hardship with in the heartland of America to try and persuade Americans to vote with their pocketbooks in November. We will have to wait and see how this goes, soy bean futures are up again today. And Trump is having success with negotiations with the EU trade policies with US, which will allow further pressure to be applied to the Chinese to get them to play ball.

I’m still maintaining my believe that Trump will be successful in getting the Chinese to come around. I’ve said it several times here, the Chinese will blink.

Many economists forecast growth will drop back to roughly 2.5 percent to 3 percent in the third quarter .

For the year, the economy is likely to expand at a 3 percent pace or more for the first time since 2005. But most economists forecast it will fall back below 3 percent soon afterward.

Questionable? I’m not reading these same reports. Suppose it’s like political polls. Who do they actually question when they generate these polls? I’ve never once been asked to participate in a hole and I am rarely find myself in agreement with the outcome of the pole. There are plenty of armchair economist out there. We’ll see. Personally believe trumps going to finish out 2018 well over 3% and will continue to do so based on his policies. The author of this quote is assuming the worst and is not factoring in what will happen in the economy if Trump pulls off everything he is attempting to do.

I can’t comment on the part about Canada. Don’t know enough to have an opinion.

[Wildfowler]

Unlike you Benny, I am willing to read and discuss what you put up here.

Have it. Retort me!! I dare you.

[YoBenny]

TRUMP: “We’re having the best economy we’ve ever had in the history of our country.” — remarks in Granite City, Illinois.
Once again, Trump tells a big bald faced lie to a crowd. What else is new?
Trump never misses a chance to pat himself on the back and boast on his accomplishments,
even when he has to lie his nose a foot long to do it. I don’t like presidents doing this, and I don’t think it should be tolerated either. What he said is simply a fkn LIE but it sure makes HIM look good for no reason.

Americans have ramped up their spending after cutting back in the first three months of the year, encouraged by tax cuts that have left more money in their pockets. Yet the tax cuts provide a one-time lift to take-home pay and will likely have less impact next year, analysts say.

That’s wrong.

Well, as I understand it, it will have less and less impact each year for the next 10 years, at which time the cuts will disappear except for the ultra rich whose tax cuts are permanent. To me, that is not a good deal, at all. In fact as the numbers look, in 10 years many people will actually be paying more while the ultra rich get what they wanted, no tax burden.

A large, temporary surge in agricultural exports, specifically soybeans, should also juice growth in the second quarter. Exports of U.S. soybeans soared as companies sought to ship them to China before that country slapped tariffs on them in retaliation for U.S. tariffs on Chinese goods. Daniel Silver, an economist at JPMorgan Chase, forecast that soybean exports alone likely boosted GDP by 0.5 percentage point in the second quarter.

True. It’s been documented that China---

WHOA right there, where is that documentation that you used to justify that whole paragraph? Let’s see it please. A fire sale of soybeans ahead of tariffs actually caused part of the GDP increase and that is nothing to brag about. And if they sold all the beans, who in the hell is going to get that $12 Billion he cut loose?

I’m still maintaining my believe that Trump will be successful in getting the Chinese to come around. I’ve said it several times here, the Chinese will blink.

OK let’s say they do blink, what you are missing in all of this is these little triumps do not add up to much, none of this is out of the ordinary, in fact you could say it from the opposite direction and say thank God things haven’t gotten worse. But to claim this as some masterful triumph is just Trumponomic horsecrap.

Many economists forecast growth will drop back to roughly 2.5 percent to 3 percent in the third quarter .
For the year, the economy is likely to expand at a 3 percent pace or more for the first time since 2005. But most economists forecast it will fall back below 3 percent soon afterward.

Questionable?

It’s a forecast, of course you can question it. I personally hope they are wrong, but show me a reason why they would be?
One of the things I see you doing a lot is trying to dismiss what looks like it might be bad news by shooting the messenger. They simply said most economist think this, that means that as a general rule, economist think it will quickly cool back off. Do you want to know which political party the economist belong to so you can say they are liberal communist and what they say is pure bunk?

[Wildfowler]

That’s wrong.

Well, as I understand it, it will have less and less impact each year for the next 10 years, at which time the cuts will disappear except for the ultra rich whose tax cuts are permanent. To me, that is not a good deal, at all. In fact as the numbers look, in 10 years many people will actually be paying more while the ultra rich get what they wanted, no tax burden.

Consumer spending is 2/3 of the economy. Everyone who receives a paycheck will continue to receive more take-home pay then they previously did. That is not a one time pop in their paycheck. That will continue to remain into effect until it either expires or until the Republicans make it permanent which they are currenly proposing. Your explanation assumes it is going to expire which it may not.

People who earn an income are the consumers (2/3 of the economy) and they will all be able to spend a little more than I previously did. $50 extra per month by every person who receives a paycheck is a lot of additional stimulus in the economy. How many people are employed in this country currently? Hundred million? More? I Don’t remember.

WHOA right there, where is that documentation that you used to justify that whole paragraph? Let’s see it please. A fire sale of soybeans ahead of tariffs actually caused part of the GDP increase and that is nothing to brag about. And if they sold all the beans, who in the hell is going to get that $12 Billion he cut loose?

Most of what I said is came from the depths of my brain. It’s called my opinion. Yes, it is true if the amount of soybean that was pre-booked constitutes .5% of this quarter GDP it cannot be counted again in a future GDP number.

Therefore at least .5% of potential GDP won’t be available in next quarter’s results. I’m a little more optimistic than you are and I believe what Trump is doing is having a positive impact on the economy and I don’t see this as a negative. I believe current administration’s economic policies will offset that.

I think think it will be at least 3.6% or .5% less than any possible revision. We’ll see.

I trust you will come back and let me know if next quarter’s number takes a big dip.

OK let’s say they do blink, what you are missing in all of this is these little triumps do not add up to much, none of this is out of the ordinary, in fact you could say it from the opposite direction and say thank God things haven’t gotten worse. But to claim this as some masterful triumph is just Trumponomic horsecrap.

Obama had some individual quarters like this one with good numbers. That’s a fact. It’s also a fact that his economy never had GDP 3% or higher during his entire two term presidency.

China blinks that will be a very big deal. China is our number one trading partner and if Trump is successful at leveling the playing field the US will probably will have the best economy that America has ever seen.

The glass is half “full” with me buddy. I’m expecting good things.

t’s a forecast, of course you can question it. I personally hope they are wrong, but show me a reason why they would be?
One of the things I see you doing a lot is trying to dismiss what looks like it might be bad news by shooting the messenger. They simply said most economist think this, that means that as a general rule, economist think it will quickly cool back off. Do you want to know which political party the economist belong to so you can say they are liberal communist and what they say is pure bunk?

All I said was that I had not read any information from economist who said GDP would be 2 1/2 to 3%. I said I thought that was questionable. That means I’m open to discussing and/or debating it. Show me some information from those economist forecast I’ll be happy to discuss it with you.

I’m not dismissing anything. You are the master of dismissing what you don’t agree with.

You put up a list of a bunch of rino establishment politicians who I have no respect for because I do not believe they hold the American people’s best interests at heart.

Those politicians are all about lining their own pockets books and as you like to say all about enriching their fat cat big business friends. I did dismiss that list of politicians immediately.

I’m always open for discussion. Some of what I’ve said above is my opinion there is no source documentation for it. If you think I’m wrong and either document it or rebut it with your own opinion. I’m down with that.

[YoBenny]

I trust you will come back and let me know if next quarter’s number takes a big dip.

No that's actually your job and I don't want it.

It’s also a fact that his economy never had GDP 3% or higher during his entire two term presidency.

I really wish that you could refrain from these comparisons with Obama's and for that matter anyone else's presidency. I know that it is almost impossible for you because you are such a "team player" and to you it's a lot about comparing teams success.
One reason I say that is no two presidencies are alike, nor are they conditions that they go in and out of the position. So it's really tough to compare them as they are nothing alike.
So when I say, "Well Obama had this rise in the GDP" blah blah blah, it is really pointless, because it is different conditions and they will never be the conditions at hand again.
I really did not like Obama that much but that is beside the point. I don't like either party, I think they are both corrupt as FK and I really wish something could be done about it. But choosing a side, I never do that, ever.
I like some policy I see from the right, some from the left, both make policy that I think sucks.

China blinks that will be a very big deal. China is our number one trading partner and if Trump is successful at leveling the playing field the US will probably will have the best economy that America has ever seen.

Well that would be great but it's not real yet and as with other things I really wish that Donald would stop taking credit for stuff he didn't do, even if it's yet, and stop all this "most this" and "most that" blah blah blah enough already. Be a man and say it's better but not perfect. That is not what he does, I wish he did, but it's part of his sales pitch and no I would never buy a used car from this butthole.

You put up a list of a bunch of rino establishment politicians who I have no respect for because I do not believe they hold the American people’s best interests at heart.

That list came from a news source, I didn't hand pick them, they were the politicians being vocal about it.
I know you think a lot of your own opinion but you cannot dismiss what Senators and Congressmen say just because you dont like them. I can't stand most of them, but if you don't listen to them then who?

Those politicians are all about lining their own pockets books and as you like to say all about enriching their fat cat big business friends. I did dismiss that list of politicians immediately.

Of course they are but what just boggles my mind is that Trump supporters actually think that he isn't one of them.
It's a good time to mention the importance of the "magnitude" or the actual value of a "win" for the people that Donald is so fond of using in his self promotion. Yes, he can get some stuff done. But as with any of these aholes in Washington, keep your eye on the money, and how much money is really involved in successes for the people and who gets the lions share of the winnings. Because if you do that, you are going to see that Donald is nothing but the same thing if not worse. That's what I think, and I think that because I have watched him my whole life, and to think that he suddenly became a man of the people instead of the best used car salesman in history is just ridiculous. Sure, he can stand up, tell major lies, (two big ones in the news today) and convince people that he is all about helping THEM. But if he does it with lies, what good is it? I just do not trust him, at all.
I think he will give Americans a spoonful of peanut butter and take the jar home with him.

[YoBenny]

I was actually going to vote for John McCain until he pulled the Klondike Kook out of the bushes and I took one look at her and John's age and went Oh HELL no..........

[lilwhitelie]

I can say for a fact Obama did ZERO to help most Americans at all. He was great at speaking etc and getting everyone to beleive he was the messiah and worked well for him. I will take what crumbs I get extra now every 2 weeks vs nothing for last 8 years. I am sure tons of people that were forced out of jobs probably feel the same. Let the rich get richer. It's America. They only get that way if we the sheep or deplorables have money to spend on yeti stickers and tss shot.

At least Donnie will fight for my teaspoon!! Heck democrats want the entire peanut butter operation!!

[YoBenny]

Well I certainly don't see it that way at all. I did not like Obama but to blame him exclusively for what happened is pretty narrow. Both houses hated him and would do absolutely nothing with him or for him. All he had to work with was executive order. I didn't like a lot of what he did but sheesh man, considering how they had him bound from day one, I'm surprised he got ANYthing done. And mean just outright HOSTILE houses to him.
Who wants to be a Republican president when the house and senate are run by democrats?

[lilwhitelie]

Well I certainly don't see it that way at all. I did not like Obama but to blame him exclusively for what happened is pretty narrow. Both houses hated him and would do absolutely nothing with him or for him. All he had to work with was executive order. I didn't like a lot of what he did but sheesh man, considering how they had him bound from day one, I'm surprised he got ANYthing done. And mean just outright HOSTILE houses to him.
Who wants to be a Republican president when the house and senate are run by democrats?

Obama could have lifted regulations etc and put oil guys back to work and he could have proposed a tax cut and put it to a vote if he wanted. No republican would have voted against that or it would be suicide. Like abolishing ICE. When put to a vote he democrats just vote present instead of NO or YES.

What he could do is run a health care bill through and lie to public about how well it will work out etc and we see how wonderful that is going.

[YoBenny]

In case you aint noticed, we have a slight problem with the temperature of the air on this planet.
FK those oil jobs and FK coal jobs too. Chit changes, deal with it.
A GOP house would have never voted for a tax package that did anything other than what the last they passed did, which was give americans a penny and give the top 10% $100 bucks.
That health care bill nor anything being said by any GOP people is the answer to anything.
Stop the FDA from protecting big pharma from free trade and do the same thing with medical equipment.
Just do that, just that, watch insurance premiums start to go down and THEN lets see what we can do next.
But that will never happen when the elite rich of this country run the government.


As I'm concerned, they could have stopped this image with the two pie charts at the top of it, because that fact is one of the biggest problems that common americans have in this county.