Hosemann steals six mile lake!

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Re: WHAT A CROCK

Postby LODI QUACKER » Wed Aug 19, 2015 7:31 am

Po Monkey Lounger wrote:Alternative Headline:

Under the cloak of darkness, without any public notice or opportunity for public comment, Secretary of State Delbert Hoseman, with the aid of the MDEQ and MDWF&P, aided 3 MS landowners with donating private lake bottoms of Six Mile Lake, the waters over which were part of a public waterway and already in the public domain and available to the public for fishing and duck hunting, for the purpose of generating generous tax credits for the landowners and creating a "refuge" which will later be turned over to control by a national conservation group to be managed as a waterfowl/wildlife sanctuary.

In order to maximize the monetary value of the land gift to the state, the MDEQ was persuaded by Hoseman to further define the banks of the public waterway in the subject area in such a fashion that resulted in some of the gifted land appearing to lie under private waters as opposed to public, all in direct opposition to a previous ruling by the MDEQ Commission back in 2001 that held that the lake was public water from "bank to bank". The evidence presented at the hearing and in legal filings by the MDEQ staff at the time of that proceeding approximately 14 years ago, including an expert hydrologist map depicting Six Mile Lake at bank full stage, clearly indicated that "bank to bank" meant the large prominent levee on the north side of the lake, and the raised roadbed on the south side of the lake. The affected landowners who had unsuccessfully attempted to privatize Six Mile Lake 14 years ago, and did not appeal the referenced Commission ruling, include the same landowner donors for the new "refuge".

The bottom line, our state has turned public waters available for duck hunting into a non-huntable refuge to give the owners of the bottoms of a Publuc waterway a generous tax credit and to protect adjacent private landowners with duck holes a state created "buffer" between them and the public. Not one acre of the donation of land to the state included anything but lake bottoms lying beneath public waters.

Yep, A CROCK!!!! "The truth is what I say it is" is the motto of this clan. This has me madder than a hornet!!! Max, we need some help with this. How can we stand by and let things like this happen?


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Re: WHAT A CROCK

Postby 420 racin » Wed Aug 19, 2015 7:46 am

So you say DEQ redifed the banks of the lake or something???

Can you provide link to that new definition or name of said persons in charge at DEQ or something where we can read their justification?
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Re: WHAT A CROCK

Postby Po Monkey Lounger » Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:32 am

In exchange for turning control of the refuge over to the national conservency group, this conservancy group will be/already has provided funds for construction of a weir ( large water control structure) at a location where Money Bayou empties into the Tallahatchie River.
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Re: WHAT A CROCK

Postby Wildfowler » Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:51 am

Po Monkey Lounger wrote:In exchange for turning control of the refuge over to the national conservency group, this conservancy group will be/already has provided funds for construction of a weir ( large water control structure) at a location where Money Bayou empties into the Tallahatchie River.
I'm not familiar with the area, does the water flow naturally out of the lake now?

If so, building a weir will probably fudge pack the whole place?
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Re: WHAT A CROCK

Postby teul2 » Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:16 am

Wildfowler wrote:
Po Monkey Lounger wrote:In exchange for turning control of the refuge over to the national conservency group, this conservancy group will be/already has provided funds for construction of a weir ( large water control structure) at a location where Money Bayou empties into the Tallahatchie River.
I'm not familiar with the area, does the water flow naturally out of the lake now?

If so, building a weir will probably fudge pack the whole place?
Yes, the water flows into Six Mile from Tippo, through the scatters, through McIntyre, and into the river. The weir is to help regulate the water levels that have been degraded since the corps dredged the river. Water will still flow out, but a more constant water table will be held.
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Re: WHAT A CROCK

Postby YazooValley » Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:15 am

How does this transfer alter the public/non-public nature of the waterway? I don't see how it matters whether MDWFP, the Nature Conservancy, or Mr. Tribble's heirs own the property. If the private landowner(s) can't keep the public off a public body of water, how can the Nature Conservancy? To me, the question is not who owns the bed. The question is whether the waterway is navigable or not. If MDEQ has already deemed it to be navigable/public, how does this change anything?

The Little Sunflower River (navigable and public as far as I know) runs through a WMA and a national forest. Can MDWFP declare that river to be no longer public? I wouldn't think so.

I don't know any details here but it seems to me that the landowners sold the bed of the lake (which they may be entitled to do) but the status of the surface remains unchanged -- if the surface water was public before, it's public after. Someone declaring it to be a "refuge" doesn't change anything. Or am I misunderstanding something?

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Re: WHAT A CROCK

Postby Po Monkey Lounger » Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:49 am

Yazoo, the logic and reasoning you have espoused is solid. I agree.

But, when it comes to political cronyism, the ordinary meaning of words get twisted like pretzels, and logic and reason are thrown out the window -- any means to achieve the desired end. And even worse, they think we are too stupid to notice.

Unless public opinion can change some minds, then expect a good shyster fu*#king.
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Re: WHAT A CROCK

Postby deltadukman » Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:20 pm

skywalker wrote:Wah, Wah, Wah.....quit 'whining' on an internet forum and actually DO SOMETHING about it. If you don't like it, buy your own land or get elected and make changes. Anybody can complain.

You ever been to a "meeting" or public commentary? Its just a formality, they are just polite enough to not tell you your opinion doesnt matter. To make any logical rulings, you have to be on the committee. If Scott Coopwoood can be on there, then its all political. Yes he's a member of Donaldson, but other than owning Delta Magazine, he doesnt know his ass from a whole in the ground as far as hunting goes. Then you have the Deviney, the derr pen owner(he really cares about the public's opinion).
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Re: WHAT A CROCK

Postby LODI QUACKER » Wed Aug 19, 2015 1:17 pm

We all know how smoothly things go for the public hunter especially the freelance hunter when the department gets involved. We get exactly what po monkey just described!!!!!! I want to know what is the real motivation behind this? what do they "REALLY" have in the works that we do not yet know?
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Re: WHAT A CROCK

Postby skywalker » Wed Aug 19, 2015 3:10 pm

I think you are missing my point.......can you not find 10-12 duck hunters to 'pickett' the meeting? Can you not in unison publicly stand your ground? Call the local media? Newspaper and TV? If it is that important, remove the excuses and get to work, 'boots on the ground'........

This is not 'tongue n cheek' or meant to be a 'slam', but a challenge/encouragement as people who are really upset about something have avenues to use..........but when the rubber meets the road, most are just whining and won't lift a finger.
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Re: WHAT A CROCK

Postby LODI QUACKER » Wed Aug 19, 2015 3:23 pm

Yes, that's the plan, we found out about this YESTERDAY EVE.
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Re: WHAT A CROCK

Postby deltadukman » Wed Aug 19, 2015 5:07 pm

No, sky walker, I think you're missing the point. They've tried things before at this same locale and it was met with opposition at the meeting. Then they pretty much said fluck off. My question wasn't rhetorical either.
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Re: WHAT A CROCK

Postby peewee » Wed Aug 19, 2015 7:18 pm

skywalker wrote:I think you are missing my point.......can you not find 10-12 duck hunters to 'pickett' the meeting? Can you not in unison publicly stand your ground? Call the local media? Newspaper and TV? If it is that important, remove the excuses and get to work, 'boots on the ground'........

This is not 'tongue n cheek' or meant to be a 'slam', but a challenge/encouragement as people who are really upset about something have avenues to use..........but when the rubber meets the road, most are just whining and won't lift a finger.

Been there done that. Once it makes it to s public meeting its a done deal as far as MDWFP is concerned. I've been to a meeting against draws where there were over 100 of us. Many from this site and we got flat out told, your concerns are taken but we are going with the draws no matter what.
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Re: WHAT A CROCK

Postby LODI QUACKER » Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:12 pm

which one pee wee?
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Re: WHAT A CROCK

Postby Wingman » Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:40 pm

Somebody post a link that'll open.
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