Can of worms!

[pntailhntr]

If you believe in something, then argue your point without calling people ignorant, you may just persuade them. But the moment you start throwing names and pointing fingers at individuals on here, YOU lose what ever credibility you ever had. Chad makes good points and you never read his post as losing his cool. Duramax, you need to take notes.

Ya'll are also saying that there is more preassure than ever before, then why are duck hunter numbers declining at a rapid pace??

When someone post lies, or posts something they obviously know nothing about, you will get people worked up. I posted several facts backed up by experts. Chad was being polite because if he gets more blunt and attacks back it would make him, as a DU employee, look bad. I am not a DU employee, therefore I don't have to hold back. I will help you out with the definition of ignorant from the Merriam-Webster dictionary: lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified You have filled this definition to a T. You have no idea about the truth of these things you have mentioned. You hear something, and immediately blame DU. You have done NO research, even though the information has been provided to you.

You have posted NO FACTS! I, as well as others have corrected your lies. I have given you the truth on your lie and half brained theory on DU paying huge salaries, DU being behind 'no till farming', yet you still believe your friend's daddy over the plain facts that have been provided to you, as well as people that work for DU. I will be willing to believe you that your friend's dad told you that he went to Missouri to "figure it out for himself". But after that, I know for a fact that it was laden with lies and misinformation. Whether he lied or stretched the truth, or the farmer is pissed at DU for something that he lied.

I'm sick and tired of you lying and defaming an organization that has done more for us as duck hunters than you could ever dream.

man, What part of I have always been a fan of DU, did you not understand???!!! What part of I never said stop giving to DU all together, did you not understand. Looks like you have a reading problem. I never said a word about DU being behind NO TILL FARMING, you brought the no till up, not me. So get your ignorant facts straight before posting Azzholish comments!! I never defamed DU either. Did you not see where I gave 4 years of my life to DU, was a chairman for 2 years!! As a matter of fact eyeinthesky and I were Chairmen of the year. So I have probably done a HELL of a lot more for DU than you ever thought about. Unless your one of the rich basturds ,No i didnt' mispell it, that sit up in your high dollar duck club, let somebody else go build your blind and pick up your birds. Then You are one of the very ones that the majority of duck hunters hate in the first place for driving up our lease prices!! So you can take your no reading booty, get YOUR facts straight and PIZZ OFF, I"M DONE WITH YOUR booty. You need a major attitude adjustment buddy.

[gator]

You know, this forum is a great place to be but it has gotten to where you can't have a serious talk about something without someone getting pissed off, personal, or some jackazz making stupid childish posts!!!!

IIIIIIIIIIIIIII AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!! HOLY CRAP, PASS THE TYLENOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hambone]

If you believe in something, then argue your point without calling people ignorant, you may just persuade them. But the moment you start throwing names and pointing fingers at individuals on here, YOU lose what ever credibility you ever had. Chad makes good points and you never read his post as losing his cool. Duramax, you need to take notes.

Ya'll are also saying that there is more preassure than ever before, then why are duck hunter numbers declining at a rapid pace??

When someone post lies, or posts something they obviously know nothing about, you will get people worked up. I posted several facts backed up by experts. Chad was being polite because if he gets more blunt and attacks back it would make him, as a DU employee, look bad. I am not a DU employee, therefore I don't have to hold back. I will help you out with the definition of ignorant from the Merriam-Webster dictionary: lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified You have filled this definition to a T. You have no idea about the truth of these things you have mentioned. You hear something, and immediately blame DU. You have done NO research, even though the information has been provided to you.

You have posted NO FACTS! I, as well as others have corrected your lies. I have given you the truth on your lie and half brained theory on DU paying huge salaries, DU being behind 'no till farming', yet you still believe your friend's daddy over the plain facts that have been provided to you, as well as people that work for DU. I will be willing to believe you that your friend's dad told you that he went to Missouri to "figure it out for himself". But after that, I know for a fact that it was laden with lies and misinformation. Whether he lied or stretched the truth, or the farmer is pissed at DU for something that he lied.

I'm sick and tired of you lying and defaming an organization that has done more for us as duck hunters than you could ever dream.

man, What part of I have always been a fan of DU, did you not understand???!!! What part of I never said stop giving to DU all together, did you not understand. Looks like you have a reading problem. I never said a word about DU being behind NO TILL FARMING, you brought the no till up, not me. So get your ignorant facts straight before posting Azzholish comments!! I never defamed DU either. Did you not see where I gave 4 years of my life to DU, was a chairman for 2 years!! As a matter of fact eyeinthesky and I were Chairmen of the year. So I have probably done a HELL of a lot more for DU than you ever thought about. Unless your one of the rich basturds ,No i didnt' mispell it, that sit up in your high dollar duck club, let somebody else go build your blind and pick up your birds. Then You are one of the very ones that the majority of duck hunters hate in the first place for driving up our lease prices!! So you can take your no reading booty, get YOUR facts straight and PIZZ OFF, I"M DONE WITH YOUR booty. You need a major attitude adjustment buddy.

Weren't you the one that started this thread with a discussion about DU's overpaid executives and its diabolical payments to get corn spread over northern fields to stop the southward migration?

[the doctor]

I for one wish DU would quit buying all the corn regardless of what they do with it or where they put it.

Simple laws of supply and demand state that a reduced supply with steady or increasing demand usually equates to higher prices and likewise the opposite is true.

If we had that additional corn to feed livestock, make corn oil, or Ethanol than consumers woudl see prices of corn and corn related by products go down.

As I see it right DU is one of the reasons my milk, beef, chicken etc is so high in the grocery store an if I am spending my additonal income on groceries then I am not spending it on DU memberships. So without my membership DU now has no funds to buy corn, my grocery bill goes down and I join DU with the extra money. It is a vicious circle of which we will likely never be free.

To help smooth the financial swings I have taken a part time job with DU spreading corn throughout the midwest.


the doc

[pntailhntr]

I was only stating what I was told by a person I believe to be credible. I also started out with this is going to start flack because I know SOME PEOPLE can't help but become Azzholes when someone mentions anything but totally positive concerning DU! I was looking for comments and what we could do if it were true. For that to be happening scares me. If there is proof it isn't happening outside of DU saying it's not happening, then fine, lets move on and figure something else out. As for hellicopters and planes, NO WAY, I do not believe that. As for subsidies, it could be true. As for DU putting tons of money into habitat, yes. I do believe a little too much into refuges but the states are responsible for alot of that as well when it comes to the regs and all.

[pntailhntr]

I for one wish DU would quit buying all the corn regardless of what they do with it or where they put it.

Simple laws of supply and demand state that a reduced supply with steady or increasing demand usually equates to higher prices and likewise the opposite is true.

If we had that additional corn to feed livestock, make corn oil, or Ethanol than consumers woudl see prices of corn and corn related by products go down.

As I see it right DU is one of the reasons my milk, beef, chicken etc is so high in the grocery store an if I am spending my additonal income on groceries then I am not spending it on DU memberships. So without my membership DU now has no funds to buy corn, my grocery bill goes down and I join DU with the extra money. It is a vicious circle of which we will likely never be free.

To help smooth the financial swings I have taken a part time job with DU spreading corn throughout the midwest.


the doc

AH HA!!! THE CLUPRIT!!!

[cwink]

You know, this forum is a great place to be but it has gotten to where you can't have a serious talk about something without someone getting pissed off, personal, or some jackazz making stupid childish posts!!!!

If you believe in something, then argue your point without calling people ignorant, you may just persuade them. But the moment you start throwing names and pointing fingers at individuals on here, YOU lose what ever credibility you ever had. Chad makes good points and you never read his post as losing his cool. Duramax, you need to take notes.

I know this topic comes up every year, but there seems to be a pattern, that for the last 7 or 8 years that this is coming up, the duck numbers have declined and weather and tilling alone do not convince me!!!

Ya'll are also saying that there is more preassure than ever before, then why are duck hunter numbers declining at a rapid pace??

pntailhntr. I seem to recall you were the first to start the name calling... So........

We are still having Ice storms like one right now, there is still tons of snow in the dekotas, and illinois and even Missouri for that matter. But when the food is that abundant, they dont' have to leave the freeze line. They have been planting corn and grain up there for years and years, so why NOW all of a sudden, there is more food on the ground.

It was 80 degrees in the delta this weekend. It will be 45 degrees in St. Louis on Wednesday. If you think that ducks will move when its that warm, you need to re-evaluate.

Like I said, I'm from Canada, I remeber killing ducks when it was 20 below zero up there. Why did we kill mallards when it was that cold? No snow! Fields were still full of grain, and a lake about 5 miles away still had open water.

If you still are ignorant enough to think that adding more grains to fields in addition to no till farming practices could EVER change how many mallard we have down here, I guess you are hopeless. You also neglected to mention why you think we aren't killing as many of the other species of ducks. It couldn't be that every other field is flooded for ducks and duck hunters from Arkansas down to spread out those birds.

Listen "turd-cutter", if you can't have an adult conversation/debate, then go somewhere else!! Nobody is calling anybody names, and if you want to start that chit then there are other forums for you to go, I'm sure Benny would love to have you!!!!!!!!!!! I'm sure your a great guy and many people on here will stand up for your, but you need to back the attitude up! Something is happneing and if it's not DU, then tell us what it is, and it aint global warming. I don't care what the temp was this weekend, I remember back in the late 80's and some early 90's, we had 70's and some upper 70's, we still had ducks!!! How did it happen then and not now???

Also, I don't know where your hunting, but I'm killing more different species now than I EVER killed before!!! Spoonies, teal, less woodies, Bufflehead, blacks, scaup, widgeon, gadwalls. I've always killed those in the past, but never have I a full 6 duck, no mallard limit like we have been killing the past 7 or 8 years.

[gunner]

pntailhntr and duramax,

I think you two need to get together and beat the crap out of eachother. Growing up I found it as an efficient means of finding out who is right and who is wrong. The last one standing is right!!

Just kidding.. I hope you guys find a way to get along, become very rich, join an awesome duck camp, and take me along.

[duramax]

Duramax I agree with what you are saying, BUT...you know there always seems to be a but.
I know for a fact that the areas around the mouth of the river had good hunting and the same goes for the west border.
My father in law is a true LA sportsman that grew up between Houma and Morgan City. He has every duck mounted that you can imagine that was killed within a few miles of his house.
We both would rather duck hunt than eat...we have hunted one time in the last 5 years there. NO ducks.
I'm not a biologist but I think the salt water from the storms has been the major factor, but on the other hand, the ponds that we hunted are covered up with feed and all that is there is coots and Ringnecks.

That is a good question. I have never duck hunted, nor lived in Louisianna, so I can not give any reasoning for that other than Louisanna being victim of the migration shift. I don't know if birds are going further west in you state due to the damage from Katrina, or if it's weather related. All I hear from Lousianna folks is them yelling that it's because of refuges and all that. But other people say the refuges look like your property. Divers and coots. Like I said, I've never hunted in Louisanna, so I have no idea if hunting pressure has gone up for ducks there the way it has in the MS delta.

[pntailhntr]

I'm sorry if I have offended anyone on this thread!!

It just makes me extremely angry for someone who has no idea who I am to start calling people ignorant and liars. It is NOT called for. Passion CAN go to far!

We can make fun of each other and be stupid, not gonna mention any names, GATOR, but when it comes to getting personal, it's out of hand, as this thread got quickly!!!!

[gator]

I HAVE NOT YET BEGUN TO DEFILE MYSELF!!!!!!!!

[pntailhntr]

I HAVE NOT YET BEGUN TO DEFILE MYSELF!!!!!!!!

JESUS!!!

[cwink]

I HAVE NOT YET BEGUN TO DEFILE MYSELF!!!!!!!!

Doc Holiday in Tombstone..

Yeah what do I win????/

Oh wait wrong thread..

[duramax]

If you believe in something, then argue your point without calling people ignorant, you may just persuade them. But the moment you start throwing names and pointing fingers at individuals on here, YOU lose what ever credibility you ever had. Chad makes good points and you never read his post as losing his cool. Duramax, you need to take notes.

Ya'll are also saying that there is more preassure than ever before, then why are duck hunter numbers declining at a rapid pace??

When someone post lies, or posts something they obviously know nothing about, you will get people worked up. I posted several facts backed up by experts. Chad was being polite because if he gets more blunt and attacks back it would make him, as a DU employee, look bad. I am not a DU employee, therefore I don't have to hold back. I will help you out with the definition of ignorant from the Merriam-Webster dictionary: lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified You have filled this definition to a T. You have no idea about the truth of these things you have mentioned. You hear something, and immediately blame DU. You have done NO research, even though the information has been provided to you.

You have posted NO FACTS! I, as well as others have corrected your lies. I have given you the truth on your lie and half brained theory on DU paying huge salaries, DU being behind 'no till farming', yet you still believe your friend's daddy over the plain facts that have been provided to you, as well as people that work for DU. I will be willing to believe you that your friend's dad told you that he went to Missouri to "figure it out for himself". But after that, I know for a fact that it was laden with lies and misinformation. Whether he lied or stretched the truth, or the farmer is pissed at DU for something that he lied.

I'm sick and tired of you lying and defaming an organization that has done more for us as duck hunters than you could ever dream.

man, What part of I have always been a fan of DU, did you not understand???!!! What part of I never said stop giving to DU all together, did you not understand. Looks like you have a reading problem. I never said a word about DU being behind NO TILL FARMING, you brought the no till up, not me. So get your ignorant facts straight before posting Azzholish comments!! I never defamed DU either. Did you not see where I gave 4 years of my life to DU, was a chairman for 2 years!! As a matter of fact eyeinthesky and I were Chairmen of the year. So I have probably done a HELL of a lot more for DU than you ever thought about. Unless your one of the rich basturds ,No i didnt' mispell it, that sit up in your high dollar duck club, let somebody else go build your blind and pick up your birds. Then You are one of the very ones that the majority of duck hunters hate in the first place for driving up our lease prices!! So you can take your no reading booty, get YOUR facts straight and PIZZ OFF, I"M DONE WITH YOUR booty. You need a major attitude adjustment buddy.

Weren't you the one that started this thread with a discussion about DU's overpaid executives and its diabolical payments to get corn spread over northern fields to stop the southward migration?

I also was under the impression that that is somewhere in the relm of defamation.

[crow]

Pntailhntr,

I know you're serious, and it is clear you are passionate. Many of your points seem unreasonable to me, but that's just me. I will address one of your assertions.

We are not killing ducks like they did in the old days.
The ducks are not here like they were in the old days.
If the ducks aren't here and we're not killing them, DU must be feeding them up north.

That's where the wheels come off.

I've been hunting ducks in the MS delta for over 40 years. Back in the 60's most any farmer would let you hunt on his property. But, you seem to contend that the ducks were everywhere. They weren't; they were where there was water and food. And you could kill the snot out of them if they were there. The ducks were where they always were, in traditional roosting areas (think Panther, Mahannah, York Woods, Matthews Brake, Hillside (then Turkey Point),and they flew out to feed wherever there was water and food (flooded bean and rice fields).

Why can't you kill ducks in Panther Creek Swamp? Why can't you kill ducks at Mahannah? Why can't you kill ducks at Matthews Brake? Why can't you kill ducks at York Woods? Those places have water; they have food; they are traditional roosting or feeding areas. What is the one thing they have now that they used to not have? What is all over the delta now that was not there in the 60's? Why can't you go up to any farmer in the delta and get permission to hunt ducks free of charge? Why are there few places where folks can't get to and ducks can rest free of disruption?

I think the answers are pretty apparent. Pure and simple...It ain't like it used to be. It will never be like it used to be where I could pretty much count on ducks being there in numbers that made it fun to hunt. Not limits everytime, but I almost always saw huntable numbers of ducks.

We will kill limits of ducks. But, it will never be, easy or cheap again. It will never be like the old days again.

I understand your passion. I understand your need to blame someone. But, you are barking up the convenient, but wrong, tree. The answers to your questions as to why duck hunting is not like it used to be is in the answers to my questions above.

As to weather, we have always needed weather to move ducks. Always have, always will. And we can talk about the weather, but we ain't going to change it!

crow