Liquor in Brandon, MS

[JLT]

Vickers is a reasonable guy Scott. I knew he would change his ways because of this thread. I was surprised to see his new sign!!!!

[peewee]

Guys think about this, it could be worse. Y'all could live in Vicksburg.

[RDB]

Highway 80 in Brandon from the Old McDonalds/Taco Bell area north and south of Highway 80 all the way to South College is 16th Section land. This is the heart of Brandon so you can as well figure that nobody will ever put a business in along this area because they will NEVER own the land under the building, Ever.

With the decline of tax revenue you will also have the decline of city services.... all of them. Fire, Police, Water, etc, etc, etc. Bam... Your little bedroom community becomes your little slum community. Your homeowners insurance will increase because the fire rating went up. Your safe neighborhood that your children play in will become a little more dangerous because there are only 3 police officers on the beat instead of 6. Your water service will be interrupted because we can't call out workers after hours to fix a busted water main because we don't have the money to pay the overtime.

For those of you who are against this think about these things. The city is a business. It relies on income to operate just as any private business does. Cut the income and the business suffers, plain and simple. You simply cannot continue to operate at full capacity with half capacity coming in. It won't work. Ever.

Your choice. You can plan for the future or you can stay the course then gripe about it when you need services and they aren't there.

[mudsucker]

First of all, if you do not live in the city limits of Brandon, then you do not have a dog in this hunt. Let the debate be amoungst those of us that do.

To say we have had this vote 5 or so times is misleading. As far as I remember most of the other votes have taken place over a countywide measure for liquor sales. This is a "local option" thing.

As for me, I would love to see more options on dining etc. I remember talking to the John Paul Crechale's guy when he was trying to get signatures for a referendum. He knew of other restauranteurs and a hotel chain or two that would have liked to have located in Brandon and or Rankin Co. back then but would not until they could serve their patrons liqour. Of course it was about their bottom line. It's business. If we act like "NIMBY", then we will lose out to Flowood or Pearl in their "resort zone" area in the way of good restaurants and well run bussinesses and the taxes they would bring in.

Yes. I grew up in Jeff. Parish, LA and never thought liqour sales was a big deal. They only now have a couple of "liquor" stores and that is for upscale wines as you can buy liqour in a mini mart, grocery store, etc. so no one gives it a second thought. Am I saying that is what Brandon needs? ABSOLUTELY not. A glass of wine or a Dewars with my meal woul be nice. I do not see it leading to the other model as it would have to come up for a vote if the way the the ordinace is written up is prohibitive enough on the what and where of the matter.

Bash away but I vote yes. Non Brandonites need not "apply"!

[Bonehead]

All the threats/prognostications of fire and emergency cuts is reminiscent of Obama etal threatening cuts to military and air traffic controllers. It's dramatic. Am I to believe that should be where the cuts should start?

Whether for or against liquor, I find it a little insulting to our intelligence.

Also, somebody explain why the "for" signs don't say liquor by the glass?.... Instead of progress, resturaunts???? Just say what it is????

[blackhawk0718]

Bonehead your wrong, by passing this it brings money into our city, Obama has nothing to do with this.

Mud sucker I agree, if you do not live here, read but no comments your wasting my time!

[rjohnson]

Why can't people outside of Brandon have an opinion??? Brandon's success affects the entire county in one way or another. I would think you would want insiders and outsiders discussing it so you make sure multiple opinions and thoughts are heard to help think everything through well. Seems kind of close minded to me but I digress.

[Bonehead]

Bonehead your wrong, by passing this it brings money into our city, Obama has nothing to do with this.

Mud sucker I agree, if you do not live here, read but no comments your wasting my time!

To be clear. I didn't say Obama had anything to do with it and I am guessing you know that. I am saying similar tactics are being used when people say the emergency services will be cut and insurance rates are going up.etc.

Has the mayor or city council said that's what is on the line with this vote?....or is that tactical speculation by those for it?

[mudsucker]

Why can't people outside of Brandon have an opinion??? Brandon's success affects the entire county in one way or another. I would think you would want insiders and outsiders discussing it so you make sure multiple opinions and thoughts are heard to help think everything through well. Seems kind of close minded to me but I digress.

Mine mind was made up 5 referendums ago! Outsiders opinions are just that.

[blackhawk0718]

It's already happened, several police have been let ago along with several admin and public works and parks an rec personnel.
The fire department is not filling the vacant spots from people that have quit, that's the only reason no one there has been let go

As for people outside the city it does not effect you wether it passes or not and you also don't a have a vote but its a free country so say what you want and dnt get mad if I do the same. Just my 3 cents

[JLT]

It affects everybody that uses the city in any way whether you live there or not. We will see what happens soon enough IF it gets passed.

[rjohnson]

It affects everybody that uses the city in any way whether you live there or not. We will see what happens soon enough IF it gets passed.

And it affects the rest of the county too just saying. Didn't realize Brandon was laying off public works and admin people. If things are that bad, liquor by the glass or not, some revenue has to be gained somewhere. Any other ideas out there for revenue growth besides the liquor by the glass? Or is it really that bad financially for the city? I'm curious as well as concerned even though I don't live there.

[blackhawk0718]

The mayor had a town hall meeting last month every one was welcome to come and should have,
He explained the situation and his plan. He also explained the liquor ordinance , he also opened up the floor for other revenue suggestions and said to call him directly with proposed ideas, so all of you saying find another way, stop complaining and give the mayor a call with YOUR great ideas!!!

Vote "FOR" on August 20, 2013.

[Bonehead]

Here is a post by a guy who I respect. I am interested in comments in response to what he says. I agree with him to be clear.


"Better" Brandon Now campaign claims a vote FOR the Legal Sale of Alcoholic Liquors is about freedom and generating income. It's interesting that a voice of freedom is censoring certain voices who ask questions on their page...questions contrary to their point of view. So, if this is about "freedom," please address how packaging a vote FOR the Legal Sale of Alcoholic Liquors, but putting For Growth, Restaurants, etc. signs all over town is not misleading? As one of the great philosophers of our day from Duck Dynasty said, "you can put lipstick on a pig but at the end of the day it's still a pig." I'm not for misleading, emotional pleas from either side, just facts. And the facts are, there is nothing on the ballot that prevents nightclubs, liquor stores and adult entertainment establishments. In fact the current zoning ordinance for the city of Brandon has zones in which nightclubs, liquor stores AND adult entertainment businesses can be located. Yes, they would still have to be approved by the various committees and boards but everything else has to go through a process also. My question is, if we were just voting on restaurants, why not match the ballot language with the political language? Why mislead? Yes, a vote FOR may stimulate our economy but do we really know for certain we WON'T eventually have the type of establishments that typically follow votes For the Legal Sale of Alcoholic Liquors if we vote "For"? Why won't someone from the For side address this?

[Bonehead]

Here is a post by a guy who I respect. I am interested in comments in response to what he says. I agree with him to be clear.


"Better" Brandon Now campaign claims a vote FOR the Legal Sale of Alcoholic Liquors is about freedom and generating income. It's interesting that a voice of freedom is censoring certain voices who ask questions on their page...questions contrary to their point of view. So, if this is about "freedom," please address how packaging a vote FOR the Legal Sale of Alcoholic Liquors, but putting For Growth, Restaurants, etc. signs all over town is not misleading? As one of the great philosophers of our day from Duck Dynasty said, "you can put lipstick on a pig but at the end of the day it's still a pig." I'm not for misleading, emotional pleas from either side, just facts. And the facts are, there is nothing on the ballot that prevents nightclubs, liquor stores and adult entertainment establishments. In fact the current zoning ordinance for the city of Brandon has zones in which nightclubs, liquor stores AND adult entertainment businesses can be located. Yes, they would still have to be approved by the various committees and boards but everything else has to go through a process also. My question is, if we were just voting on restaurants, why not match the ballot language with the political language? Why mislead? Yes, a vote FOR may stimulate our economy but do we really know for certain we WON'T eventually have the type of establishments that typically follow votes For the Legal Sale of Alcoholic Liquors if we vote "For"? Why won't someone from the For side address this?

http://www.cityofbrandon.net/wp-content ... BALLOT.pdf

That is a link to the ballot. Nowhere does it limit what we are voting for. I doesn't mention liquor by the glass.