Can of worms!

[Blackduck]

THIS IS THE BESTESTEST POST I'VE SEEN EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE INTRAWEB.....

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Is that "Best testest"
or "Bestest test"
or Best estest

I'm having problems with your vernacular . Kind reminds me of that dipstick over at DSD.

When are we going back to OVPC?

[GulfCoast]

Threads like this are kinda like an IQ test.

[gator]

When are we going back to OVPC?

when DU stops subsidizing northern farmers and keeping water open w/ those heaters they got for em...................and, when the helicopter quits following me.................................NOT A MOMENT SOONER

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[Chad Manlove]

If DU isn't doing it, then who is. Why would a farmer tell my buddies dad, he gets subsidies from DU to leave grain on the field!!! WHY would a biologist tell anybody from the south what they are doing?? They would lose TONS of money including YOURS!!! I feel your pain, I DO NOT want to believe, never have, I fought back tooth and nail everytime this post came up but now I hear this from a credible source. I too have converted!!

Look, I've worked for DU for close to 10 years now. I know exactly what habitat programs are funded out of this office. Missouri is administratively managed from the Southern Regional Office in Ridgeland, Mississippi. This is where I work. I am familiar with habitat programs establsihed in Missouri. DU does NOT pay farmers to leave grain in the field. It absolutely makes no sense! There's already plenty of waste grain left post-harvest via natural farming practices.

Your friend's father got some bad / mis-informed information from that farmer. That's all I can say. Your source is NOT credible.

[duramax]

The bad thing about DU, is that TOOOO MUCH of the money is going to Salaries and other stuff.

Apparently you love to spout off lies and untruths. Over 80% of every dollar goes directly to habitat conservation. Not salaries, or "paying farmers to feed ducks". DO SOME RESEARCH. DU is a non-profit organization. All their financials are public. I challenge you to find another organization that comes close to that. The other sub 20% goes to pay hard working, essential employees such as Chad Manlove and the other dedicated employees, as well as to advertisement, and funding grassroots events.

If all of this still doesn't have an effect on you. Read the study done by Dr. Rick Kaminsky (on of the best waterfowl biologists in the world, who works at MSU) about this shift in migration habits of ducks. Dr. Kaminsky is an unbiased bioligist that only has vested interest in waterfowl, not in any one waterfowl organization. If you can't find it, I can e-mail you a copy. Better yet, I could e-mail it to a mod so they can make it a sticky on the forum for everyone to read.

[Bullet]

Lastly. The legality of it. All the dove and duck hunters should know about "normal farming practices". If a farmer "happens" to spill some grain in the field you are hunting, that is not normal hunting practices. Do you think if game wardens were finding these farms where there is "grain all over the ground" and farmers were leaving it there, you don't think they would be going ticket crazy? And if they did get a ticket, you don't think they would be raising hell saying "DU paid me to!".

All they have to do is run a disc over it and it's legal. all they have to do is open up the hoppers every other pass and spead it around. There is nothing wrong with that and DU will subsidize that loss as will the hunters on the land.

Look, I have always liked DU, but the weather is not THAT different than it was 20 years ago. We are still having Ice storms like one right now, there is still tons of snow in the dekotas, and illinois and even Missouri for that matter. But when the food is that abundant, they dont' have to leave the freeze line. They have been planting corn and grain up there for years and years, so why NOW all of a sudden, there is more food on the ground.

Yea cant do that there friend

[gator]

yeah.............right chad, sure sure.

my neighbors, sisters, third cousin once removed has a house cat that told me he saw a black panter...................now, look where that's gotten us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

house cats are protesting far and wide about the pending panther boom!!!!

i STAND FIRM, fight fight fight.................gator

[pntailhntr]

We are still having Ice storms like one right now, there is still tons of snow in the dekotas, and illinois and even Missouri for that matter. But when the food is that abundant, they dont' have to leave the freeze line. They have been planting corn and grain up there for years and years, so why NOW all of a sudden, there is more food on the ground.

It was 80 degrees in the delta this weekend. It will be 45 degrees in St. Louis on Wednesday. If you think that ducks will move when its that warm, you need to re-evaluate.

Like I said, I'm from Canada, I remeber killing ducks when it was 20 below zero up there. Why did we kill mallards when it was that cold? No snow! Fields were still full of grain, and a lake about 5 miles away still had open water.

If you still are ignorant enough to think that adding more grains to fields in addition to no till farming practices could EVER change how many mallard we have down here, I guess you are hopeless. You also neglected to mention why you think we aren't killing as many of the other species of ducks. It couldn't be that every other field is flooded for ducks and duck hunters from Arkansas down to spread out those birds.

Listen "turd-cutter", if you can't have an adult conversation/debate, then go somewhere else!! Nobody is calling anybody names, and if you want to start that chit then there are other forums for you to go, I'm sure Benny would love to have you!!!!!!!!!!! I'm sure your a great guy and many people on here will stand up for your, but you need to back the attitude up! Something is happneing and if it's not DU, then tell us what it is, and it aint global warming. I don't care what the temp was this weekend, I remember back in the late 80's and some early 90's, we had 70's and some upper 70's, we still had ducks!!! How did it happen then and not now???

Also, I don't know where your hunting, but I'm killing more different species now than I EVER killed before!!! Spoonies, teal, less woodies, Bufflehead, blacks, scaup, widgeon, gadwalls. I've always killed those in the past, but never have I a full 6 duck, no mallard limit like we have been killing the past 7 or 8 years.

[GordonGekko]

this photo was taken in Mississippi earlier this year.... looks like they are feeding them down here too....



cwinkler....California led the nation in duck harvest last year....not sure that qualifies as the south though....

[cwink]

this photo was taken in Mississippi earlier this year.... looks like they are feeding them down here too....



cwinkler....California led the nation in duck harvest last year....not sure that qualifies as the south though....

Yeah, but that is only becuase the get to hunt the full migrations from the North to the south because of the length of the state.. Kinda puts an * in thier numbers..

[gator]

107 days don't hurt either.

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[GordonGekko]

and their season is a little longers....107 days if i remember correctly....

[gator]

and their season is a little longers....107 days if i remember correctly....

yes, and i ask...............................just who do you think is responsible for that number of days???????????????????????????????????



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[pntailhntr]

If it does happen to be the weather, then why the hell can't we get somebody to fight for US to have the seasons like other states up north have. Their season is when the ducks are there, why can't our season be when the ducks are HERE!!?!?!?!?

[duramax]

Listen "turd-cutter", if you can't have an adult conversation/debate, then go somewhere else!! Nobody is calling anybody names, and if you want to start that chit then there are other forums for you to go, I'm sure Benny would love to have you!!!!!!!!!!! I'm sure your a great guy and many people on here will stand up for your, but you need to back the attitude up! Something is happneing and if it's not DU, then tell us what it is, and it aint global warming. I don't care what the temp was this weekend, I remember back in the late 80's and some early 90's, we had 70's and some upper 70's, we still had ducks!!! How did it happen then and not now???

Also, I don't know where your hunting, but I'm killing more different species now than I EVER killed before!!! Spoonies, teal, less woodies, Bufflehead, blacks, scaup, widgeon, gadwalls. I've always killed those in the past, but never have I a full 6 duck, no mallard limit like we have been killing the past 7 or 8 years.

Not sure why you think your uninformed posts that damage the organization that does more for us duck hunters (north, south, east, or west) than any other doesn't deserve a forceful retort. I never called you names. But if you don't know facts, that would make you ignorant by defintion. Chad and I have given you facts, which you have chosen to ignore. You are going on a story from your friend's dad, who conveniently went up to Missouri to "check it out for himself". Your story is cookie cutter identical to every other reactionary every year. "We don't have any ducks! You know what I heard...DU blah blah blah".

As for you killing more mixed bags than ever before, my only explanation would be thanks to the hard work of organizations like DU and their hard work in the breeding grounds up north.