Wildrose Kennels

[GulfCoast]

Don't equate "British dogs" with "Wildrose" or you are really limiting yourself.

I have owned American FT line dogs, and "British" dogs. Love 'em both. But I can put my 65 pound female brit in with any group of "hard charging American dogs" running UKC Finished tests, and if you don't already know her, or me, I got $$$ you cannot pick out the "British dog" based on size, drive, desire or perserverance or anything else.

The point is, pick a quality animal based on the parents, train it to a high standard, and you will be happy as a clam. Dogs don't know what is on their pedigree, and they don't care. All they know is how they are trained to get the most out of the raw material.

I agree that not FF'ing a dog is a crock. Mine has been FF'd and CC'd. Makes all the difference in the world.

[Drakeshead]

B3, Chip Laughton and others on here have Wildrose dogs. You can give me a call at 601.415.5488. I have both American and UK dogs so I can tell you about both. I am not going to run down either, just will tell you one I know.

Brad

[pstone]

I've always wondered why Wildrose don't take their dogs to UKC or ACK hunt test so people could see for themselves if they want one. I know some individuals with thier dogs do, but you never see the Wildrose truck at the HT's....

[quakwacker]

I've wondered the same thing

[mossyisland]

Hunted guys at my guide service that had those dogs and they did an excellent job.

[three11]

I've always wondered why Wildrose don't take their dogs to UKC or ACK hunt test so people could see for themselves if they want one. I know some individuals with thier dogs do, but you never see the Wildrose truck at the HT's....

I may be wrong, but I think that they host some field trial events.

[DavidR]

I've always wondered why Wildrose don't take their dogs to UKC or ACK hunt test so people could see for themselves if they want one. I know some individuals with thier dogs do, but you never see the Wildrose truck at the HT's....

I can answer that, because that is not the game that Wildrose is training for. Not all of us that have dogs are interested in competition. Personally I have three Wildrose dogs and hae owned several american bred dogs. I like the training style that Wildrose uses it has worked well for the dogs that I have and I would doubt anyone would say that my dogs are slow, have no drive, or are anything but nice well mannered an skillfull hunting dogs. A title may be important to you with a dog and Wildrose dogs are as capable as any with the training that you choose to do to obtain that goal. Feel free to contact me via PM if you have any questions about what I like about the Wildrose dogs I own.

David Reid

[Faithful Retrievers]

I forgot GC.....how is your British lab doing?

It's all what you prefer, but GC is right....British labs are bred for quality traits and US dogs are bred for heads and tails/looks.....Hell, my two year old son doesn't listen worth two cents since the new baby came home, but I bet if I put a "shock" collar on him, he would do whatever I told him.....
That's the difference...a robot or a friend and the training styles of certain trainers go hand in hand.....

Personally, many times my dog proved me wrong on cripples, even after I had beat the mess out of the dog in front of guests that thought the dog was wrong, but he wasn't...his genetics and superior nose knew exactly where the duck was...I didn't ....I feel bad to this day for some of the things I did to my best friend, but now he is gone and I know better....just wish I would have been more kind to him all the time, not just half the time....
St.

Bwahahahaha


This should be every litter. I think ya'll get confused:
Brit dog= good genetic lab
If it isn't British it got picked on special in the Wal-Mart parking lot.

As GC said they all started at the same place.

[cuppedup]

Hey, for us greenies, stop using acronyms. FF, CC whats that?

[GulfCoast]

Force Fetched/Collar Conditioned

[Magic Mallard]

To explain what I stated, the american dogs are bred for looks/tails/heads...9 out of 10 lab ads in your local paper are "back-yard" bred or bred for show....now, with that being said, that doesn't apply to a "Trainer"/Professional Breeder of American hunting labs.....

What you see with the majority of professional British breeders of labs, is trainers picking dogs for quality traits that are inherited and "looks" don't fit into the equation.....I trained and bred labs for hunting for over 10 years and hunted/trained both sides....

Time and time again, people brag on the head on that dog, overall size, and weight of an animal and that don't equate to crap for "hunting"....now what does equate is a dog with a natural ability to find and retrieve ducks....one that doesn't have to have 1000V jolts to get him to sit, stay, hold, go to the right, left, and back....that's my point.....truth be known, you can take any dog and put enough volts to him enough times to "make" him do anything....

It's the "wanting" and "knowing" to do it that makes the difference...for that, I'll wait another minute for him to get back....I'll let him take a shortcut or zigzag a little and watch him "hunt"....what I won't do is put voltage to an animal that doesn't have the natural ability and drive just so I can brag to my friends that I've got a "titled" dog...ribbons on a wall at the expense of inhumanly treating a friend aren't worth the paper they're printed on.....and please don't get your panties in a wad....hell, I don't even own a dog anymore, it's just my opinion and that's all it is...
St.

[Magic Mallard]

with that being said.....that is probably the reason English labs are smaller, don't look as good, aren't as strong, might not be as fast, and a whole list of other things that people throw at 'em all the time...it's just not always the case though....I've seen some fine/awesome brits that busted out like a cat with it's tail on fire...for some people though, it's more about watching a dog work than watching a robot with a shock collar attached to his neck....anyone ever had the balls to put one on and shock themselves in the neck? I can't do that to my best friend and hunting buddy, lest he got drunk and passed out in the truck the night before..
St.

[Tedl10]

I plan on working their next semester. I'll give ya the scoop then

[gator]

there's nothing to be said, bragging or otherwise about a "british" lab..........there's nothing to be said, bragging or otherwise about an "american" lab --- whatever the differences really are, i'll leave to the seemingly astute geniuses posting here.

but, i will say, there's not one trainer worth his salt, studying the game and the art of training retrievers, that plugs a dog mercilessly w/ a collar. i'll admit, there's a tremendous amount of dumasses taking part though, via real life stupidity OR typing such on the net.

conversely, i'm gonna go out on a fairly strong limb and say there ain't any "coddling" a dog that's being trained to bark w/ a funny accent. the foolhardy think there is a "magic" dog that "just does it", the successful would rather spend time training for it vs talking about it anyhow.

this argument is old as the crust in methusaleh's drawers if ever was such. plenty to say on both sides, problem is, plenty that shouldn't be said too.

H2Ofowler, pick your litter -- not dog. pick your breeder --- not "nationality". pick your program --- not a few tennis balls 2 days before season..........follow them all, to the depths of what you consider FAIR to the animal. then, come tell me what a high rolling, cool as fresh cucumbers companion you have!

but, i implore you to heed this warning: following the suggestions of those who are unable to find the good in another train of thought WILL lead you down a bad road. as in ALL things, take the good w/ the bad.

gator

[Cotten]

there's nothing to be said, bragging or otherwise about a "british" lab..........there's nothing to be said, bragging or otherwise about an "american" lab --- whatever the differences really are, i'll leave to the seemingly astute geniuses posting here.

but, i will say, there's not one trainer worth his salt, studying the game and the art of training retrievers, that plugs a dog mercilessly w/ a collar. i'll admit, there's a tremendous amount of dumasses taking part though, via real life stupidity OR typing such on the net.

conversely, i'm gonna go out on a fairly strong limb and say there ain't any "coddling" a dog that's being trained to bark w/ a funny accent. the foolhardy think there is a "magic" dog that "just does it", the successful would rather spend time training for it vs talking about it anyhow.

this argument is old as the crust in methusaleh's drawers if ever was such. plenty to say on both sides, problem is, plenty that shouldn't be said too.

H2Ofowler, pick your litter -- not dog. pick your breeder --- not "nationality". pick your program --- not a few tennis balls 2 days before season..........follow them all, to the depths of what you consider FAIR to the animal. then, come tell me what a high rolling, cool as fresh cucumbers companion you have!

but, i implore you to heed this warning: following the suggestions of those who are unable to find the good in another train of thought WILL lead you down a bad road. as in ALL things, take the good w/ the bad.

gator

Hehehe...I was wondering when you were going to chime in.