OOS hunting in Wyoming

[Josey Wales]

The "out of state" topic below got me to thinking about this...

In the state of Wyoming you must either be with a licensed guide or be accompanied by a licensed holding resident of Wyoming to hunt in National Forest (for big game and "trophy" whatever that is).

I would like to see this, or some form of variation of this implemented in Missisippi (for deer and turkey hunting).

Much of the public land in Southwest Mississippi has been all but ruined by people from Arkansas and Louisiana, I see it every year during turkey season and I hear its worst in deer season (I don't deer hunt).

Anyway I know it sounds farfetched but I believe a variation of this could work for our state and help protect some of our wildlife resources (such as a fee or a quota for OOS).

BTW most of the land in Wyoming is National Forest or BLM..

What do you all think?


Q. Is it true nonresidents cannot hunt in national forest wilderness areas without a guide?

A. Basically, that''s right. Wyoming statute says nonresidents must have a licensed guide or resident companion to hunt big or trophy game in national forest wilderness areas. The resident companion will need to get a free non-commercial guide license from a G&F office. The law does not prohibit nonresidents from hiking, fishing or hunting game birds or coyotes in wilderness areas. Only nonresident big and trophy game hunters must have a licensed guide or resident companion.

[dukbum]

must either be with a licensed guide or be accompanied by a licensed holding resident of Wyoming to hunt in National Forest (for big game and "trophy" whatever that is).

i think that would be a good idea....for here but make it for any migratory birds good idea?

[gator]

josey, i'm not sure it's done so much b/c of the game or whatever or to control who hunts what, but i'm thinking i remember it's b/c of OOS'rs safety....the territory you hunt those "big game" out there is some of the most rugged stuff imaginable...

and as far as allowing guiding services on public land here - no, i would not be for that.....guides have there land and provide a service for folks who go for that sorta deal....i don't wanna have to fight the guides too on OUR public land...

think some ruff stuff used to go on in WMA/NWR's of arkieville when they sorta turned a "blind eye" to guiding on public ground.....consequently, they got rid of it best they could - you can't do any of it whatsoever....

that's something i don't think any of us want to be involved w/...gator

[Josey Wales]

Gator, I agree about the its about the territory and not so much about the game in Wyoming..

How do you feel about "draw" or quota for OOS on Mississippi public lands?..or you can be a lease holder, or go through an outfitter to hunt in Mississippi if you are OOS..

I am just throwing out some possibilites ..I truly believe that something must be done to protect our wildlife resouces on public land.

[gator]

josey,

How do you feel about "draw" or quota for OOS on Mississippi public lands?..or you can be a lease holder, or go through an outfitter to hunt in Mississippi if you are OOS..

i DO NOT NOR EVER WILL BE FOR A DRAW OF ANY KIND...i just ain't gonna wait in line to see if i have been drawn, in order to hunt somewhere i've been hunting since i was too small to remember...don't even wanna put an OOS'r thru it, don't think hunting should be about who's lucky enough to be drawn....

BUT, i would be for OOS'rs paying alot higher premium to hunt here (think benny said 2-300 one time)....seems that if the hunting is worth the drive, then it's worth the higher costs.....this money should be set aside ONLY for upgrading equipment and land on OUR WMA's.....how to keep up w/ it youmay ask: easy, just like arkansas.....you specify AT THE POINT OF SALE where you are hunting - hell they charge something like 100 bones for a year on 1 WMA....

i think the option of only being able to hunt w/ a guide service if you're from out of state could also be an option......helps out strugglin guide services, and alleviates some of the pressure on the resource at the same time....

and a third option no one is discussing - give em ALL maps of missouri, cause THERE AIN'T NO DUCKS DOWN HERE ANYMORE

gator

[Don Miller]

Like I said in another post, I would like to see MS charge a user fee for OOS duck hunters on state owned land as Arkansas has. I don't think it will keep the OOS hunters away but why should our public lands be free to OOSers when Arkansas is charging a user fee and double the price for a state duck stamp. It only makes sense to me that MS should do the same. We have very limited resources as compared to Arkansas and ours are getting more and more overcowded every season. I don't think a $100 user fee for OOS duck hunters would be too much to ask. Just think about the additional revenue it would create that could be put toward enhancing what we already have or purchasing more public land.

[gator]

ya'll see that????

me and don agree!!!!

hehe, just kiddin man, i'm wicha 100 percent on the issue.......gator

[Don Miller]

Gator, I also agree with you that I do not want to see a draw system of any kind in MS. In state or out of state.

[gator]

well, what about the missouri maps?

thougth that was a nice touch

gator

[Don Miller]

At Bayou Meto in Arkansas, they have gotten VERY restrictive. A hunter is only allowed 15 shells and they cut the mallard limit from 4 to 3 mallard last season. I can't say that I don't much like the idea of having only 15 pops a morning but I bet it has cut down on the sky busting considerably.

[tennduckdog]

When I moved from MS to TN my license went form $35 dollars for a sportsmans license to $335 for a hunting and fishing license. That means that every ooser who buys an all game hunting license and a fishing license contributes almost 10 times as much as 1 in state hunter. I don't have a problem with paying that much, but if MS decided to charge more than that or add a high user fee to the cost they would probably lose a ton of money from people saying F@#$ MS. How would that benifit anyone? It wouldn't do any of you any good, me neither. If you think that a WMA user fee is a good idea, and I do too, charge everyone the same user fee. Charging oosers a WMA user fee would only be a drop in the bucket, charge everyone a $100 user fee that could go towards buying more land and maintaining the WMA's then you will be able to make a difference. Also, I'm all for increasing in state hunting license fees to the same cost of oos license fees in all states, my state included, just make good use of the money. If you think about all the money we spend on hunting, licenses are the cheepest thing we pay for. Why is it that the most important thing we contribute to the sport (money for land and wildlife management) is the cheapest thing we do?

[mottlet]

The guys coming from other states to hunt public land to hunt for two to seven days would pay the extra fee. A seven day OOS small game license isn't that expensive at all, $33.85 to be exact. Throw in the stamps, and an OOS hunter can hunt ducks and geese in MS for a whole week. I don't think it will really reduce the number of guys coming in to hunt the public lands in this state, but it would add a little money into the MDWFP budget to be used on public lands.

mottlet

[gator]

TDD, although i gotta headache from readin it, i hear ya.....sentences man, and for goodness sakes, chunk in a paragraph or 2......look.......

see that ain't so hard

seriously, i understand the crux.....and i think MANY on here (includin myself) look at it from a purely "duck" point of view....but, honestly, i just don't think anyone willing to drive from wherever is gonna be turned away by a 100 dollar user fee on each and every WMA they visit....where are you planning to hunt sir? "xx wma"....well, sir, that's 100 dollars. gonna hunt anywhere else? ah, no....

if you doubt that, go look at some of arkansas WMA's.....they are gettin the dollars, and the suckers are still coming.............and coming...........AND COMING....

on a personal note, i wish they'd ban all these idiots - local and oos - from toting them dam .300 mags, .270's, .006's to shoot a deer.......it's dam dangerous.....shoot them suckers w/ a stick or go home........i HATE that pucker factor walking out, just trying to get to my ride, and wondering, "is THIS the day ole billy bob thinks my fat booty is a deer?"

gator

[Po Monkey Lounger]

Don't hold your breath on any changes or increases in the OOS license or user fees for state public lands. Mr. Speed, in our current gov's administration, has been all over the place recently talking about all the potential additional tourism dollars that could be brought into the state by selling out our wildlife resources to the highest bidders ----- while we see deer, ducks, turkeys, etc. ----- he just sees dollar signs.

Better buy all the private land you can afford. That is where we are heading fast. In a few years, there won't be many public areas left to hunt in peace, or private lands that can be reasonably leased in which an average MS resident can hunt. When hunting becomes just a rich man's sport, that will be the beginnning of the end for hunting. Those MS residents who do not hunt, or no longer hunt because of the cost, will not care if the antis take away or unreasonably restrict our hunting rights. Changes will be required to preserve our sporting heritage in MS ---many of the changes will not necessarily mean more money for the economy, at least in the short run. Hopefully, our leaders will gain the foresight not to sell out our hunting heritage in MS in exchange for some quick OOS cash.

[Faithful Retrievers]

I remember when we use to have an abundant # of deer down around our camp bordering the Homochitto Natn'l forrest and our neighdors to the west moved over and started slaughtering everything that moves. In the MS Natn't forrest. We have more fun hunting them off our property than deer now. On the other hand I have a duck lease that I pay an arm and a leg for in LA and get harrassed by their game wardens because of my MS license plate. Got me for not maintaining field possesion cause we put all the birds in my truck to take them back to the camp.[/b]