Liquor in Brandon, MS

[deltadukman]

I personally know the guy running their facebook page, well actually there are two people. Ryan Herndon and Kyle Brown. I am pretty sure they arent censoring certain words out. They have been keepin tabs on trolls who post asanine statements like the lady who told Ryan "the blood of all the DUI deaths will be on his hands". Send them a message, I am sure they will give you scoop in a more technical term. As with your other concerns and false information regarding the McDonalds in your earlier post, let's not assume, but rather ask questions to become informed on the issues. It has to do with the way we are passing it. We are not passing a law. We are passing a referrendum and then the city adopts an ordinance in accordance with the referrendum to allow it. the verbage has to be in accordance with MS Code, the AG's office and other legislative departments and their wording. It's not our wording to change if that makes sense. On the signage issue, no one is trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes. you kind of lose you effectiveness if you have to go to 12 font and have all the words on their that would spell it out like may people think it should.

Over the weekend we have had a number of "For" signs have turned up missing. I dont think there were any "against" signs tampered with......


I want to see the zoning for the stripclubs, night clubs, liquor stores and so on. Can you provide me a link? I highly doubt we ahve anywhere in town set aside for that. Now if there was a zoning like a C4 commercial(not sure what the actual zone will be) which groups a broad spectrum of businesses into a zone category, but I feel 100% certain that the City of Brandon hasnt made any zoning changes specifically for those things. Again, it has to do with the verbage at the state level, then the City passes an ordinace. I am going to assume you didnt know that and were just using it for effect?

[one more pass]

How come the people against it always say it will lead to nightclubs and strip clubs? There are lots of towns in MS that sell liquor that don't have these types of establishments.

[munyoz70]

Here is a post by a guy who I respect. I am interested in comments in response to what he says. I agree with him to be clear.


"Better" Brandon Now campaign claims a vote FOR the Legal Sale of Alcoholic Liquors is about freedom and generating income. It's interesting that a voice of freedom is censoring certain voices who ask questions on their page...questions contrary to their point of view. So, if this is about "freedom," please address how packaging a vote FOR the Legal Sale of Alcoholic Liquors, but putting For Growth, Restaurants, etc. signs all over town is not misleading? As one of the great philosophers of our day from Duck Dynasty said, "you can put lipstick on a pig but at the end of the day it's still a pig." I'm not for misleading, emotional pleas from either side, just facts. And the facts are, there is nothing on the ballot that prevents nightclubs, liquor stores and adult entertainment establishments. In fact the current zoning ordinance for the city of Brandon has zones in which nightclubs, liquor stores AND adult entertainment businesses can be located. Yes, they would still have to be approved by the various committees and boards but everything else has to go through a process also. My question is, if we were just voting on restaurants, why not match the ballot language with the political language? Why mislead? Yes, a vote FOR may stimulate our economy but do we really know for certain we WON'T eventually have the type of establishments that typically follow votes For the Legal Sale of Alcoholic Liquors if we vote "For"? Why won't someone from the For side address this?

http://www.cityofbrandon.net/wp-content ... BALLOT.pdf

That is a link to the ballot. Nowhere does it limit what we are voting for. I doesn't mention liquor by the glass.

I will gladly answer this.(Yall are either going to be baffled by my thoery(not all facts) or blast me for this on)


It simplifies things and removes the scare tactics of the oposing sides.
Vote yes for alcohol? That doesnt really state the whole truth behind the ballot
Vote yes for resturautnt? That doesn't state it all either but for the undecated or the religiously oppressed person that sounds more along the reasoning of the vote.
But these vote no to DUI deaths??? That is the same scare tactics that really blurs the truths. Under that same agenda and theory we need gun control laws! And Motor vehicle restraints have phones that wont allow you to text while driving cars that wont drive without seatbelts in use etc... But that is BIG BROTHER is it not?

Something everyone is needs to know about politics is... Campaigning isnt designed to sway the vote of decided minds, it is there to help the undecided votes. I vote R almost always, infact I have only voted for one demorcat in my life and it was due to my knowledge and relationship with him versus his opponent. I vote R not because I agree whole hearted with them, but I really dont care for most of the Democrats and the liberal agenda. However I consider myself a Constituationlist if you would like to know. Give me my rights, give others their rights but thats about the only thing we need to GIVE!


The older generations of Mississippians and other southerns as well as the rest of Americans were raised in a different generation. We wont go into the argument of which were better or worse because that is a very heavy subject and needs a different post. However, those people were not raised up with information at their finger tips or educated in a matter to think for themselves or atleast question/research/verify what is being said. What your parents, preacher, teacher or mayor said was never questioned. It was simply the truth, the facts and how it JUST WAS. Now let me ask you a few open ended questions that I will give you the FREEDOM TO decide.

OBAMA EDITS TEXTBOOKS- It was all over the news, he was changing the school books, thanks to the information boom of my generation we knew about this. How do you know that this didnt happen to you growing up but it was easier to keep secret?

SOUTHERN BAPTIST CONVENTION.......
If we have the freedom of religion why do we need this to steer the church? I am open for answers to this but I have no clue. I figure its a lobbying firm for the industry of religion? Not trying to be blasphamist just how is see it. If it was just to organize the denomination that would be one thing, but you have to be "endorsed" by them. Thats the same as the NRA, which is the largest political power, endorsing a Politician. If you dont like the preacher change churches or preachers no one is making you go there and his spot at the podium isnt permanent. Infact the decons voted in by the members actually represent the people. These checks and balances are needed I agree. But ook at Brandon Baptist Church. I was right in the middle of that split. It ruined friendships, familiy and crushed faiths of younger people who were not caught in the politics of church and saw it for what it was. Grown people acting like children, not resolving issues and defying all laws of Christianity by instead of loving thy neighbor and not judging... We will build our own church and teach our ideas of Christianity. All of which was over one of the BEST MEN I KNOW who was widdowed and decided to marry a woman who devorced a husband that was abusive to her. As a decon this was not allowed. Part of being a christian is having a personal relationship with christ. I am not perfect and unlike most in the congration will never proclaim that or even insinuate that. But my Jesus, the one I pray to and the one whom I look to guide me would not tell me to stay around with someone who beats you or is abusive.

Now as for the Sheep following the shepard... Jesus is my shepard. Not the preacher! The preacher is there to educated and inform and even tend to the flock. However not to campaign, dictate, lobby or judge. Crossgates baptist church has put out a commercial on youtube about the vote. I dont know if it has been aired on TV or not. It is very well said and does not pass judgement. But it does fill people full of F.U.D. Fear Uncertainty and Doubt. Thats a term used in sales. Its a scare tactic used to sway indecisive or ignorant (uneducated) people. While the preacher and his film crew were doing this on the church's time and dime using their equipment how many youth lunchs, meals served or hospital visits could have been made? Better yet why doesnt he lead a work out session to help with obisity in his congregation? Gluteny is one of the 7 deadly sins isnt it? What about your body is a temple, where it the leadership for that? We are in the most obese state are we not? Why is this not at the top of the agenda?
Why not legislate the 10 commandments?

I want you to ask more questions, not just follow the crowd. Even if the crowd is the CHURCH

-Brett

[420 racin]

What do you have when you have four babtist in a room?


















You always have a fifth!!

[SNOT]

Saw this earlier on Facebook:

About 20 years ago, my family and I moved to Brandon because of the schools and churches. It was then, and remains today, an ideal place to raise a family. Then, in 1998, we opened Annie D’s A Family Grill as a white-table cloth, fine dining restaurant, but were quickly forced to change our concept because the lack of liquor sales made it impossible to operate a fine dining concept. To this day, no fine dining concept has been able to succeed in Brandon.

In announcing the closing of Annie D‘s, I stated that Brandon had failed to grow “relative to the growth of neighboring communities”. What I was referring to was commercial growth, not residential growth. A strong commercial tax base is absolutely crucial to the long term growth and stability of a community and Brandon clearly has not kept up. Look at the area around Trustmark Park in Pearl. A liquor by the glass referendum had to pass before that area could be developed fully. Look at the Dogwood area in Flowood. Liquor by the glass has allowed them to attract not only more upscale restaurants and national retailers, but with them better hotels as well. The hotels and retailers are necessary to attract office buildings, corporate relocations and even light industry to an area because companies have to know that they have places of the proper quality to house and support prospective clients or even out of town personnel before they invest in a community.
THAT IS WHAT THIS REFERENDUM IS ABOUT!
Yes, liquor is on the ballot, but it is about growth. It is about being able to attract the restaurants that will attract the hotels that will attract the other businesses that will build a commercial tax base that will help pay for the city services that everybody expects and keep residential tax rates low. It is about leaving a community for our grandchildren where they will be able to afford the property taxes and a community that will be able to provide services such as our wonderful Senior Citizens Center. If you do not think this is about growth, stop and consider just how few current restaurants will add liquor when this passes. It will, as a matter of fact, bring more competition to the existing restaurants. However, we understand that the growth that this referendum will spur is more important and that is why we support it.
Tom Pittman
Annie D’s

[deltadukman]

Bonehead....per my associate...I didnt take your sign

[deltadukman]

On election eve I offer to all Rankin Countians a very good speech that pretty much sums up my take on the issue.

CORINTH - Noah S. "Soggy" Sweat, Jr., a former judge and lawyer whose 1952 "Whiskey Speech" became a monument to political doubletalk, died Friday after a battle with Parkinson's disease.

Sweat, 73, died at a Corinth nursing home. His professional and political career included stints as a legislator, district attorney, circuit court judge and college professor.

Sweat will be remembered most for his "Whiskey Speech" delivered in the Mississippi House in 1952 when lawmakers were debating legalizing liquor.

Liquor was illegal in Mississippi. But the state collected what was called a "black market" tax on it totaling millions of dollars.

Sweat, who was elected to the House in 1947 at the age of 24, served one term and delivered the speech during his last year in office.

"It was a tour de force," Sweat said in a 1989 interview with "The Daily Corinthian" newspaper.

"The banquet that night at the old King Edward Hotel was being held. The senators, their wives, members of the House and others were guests.

"Bose Holburn had heard I was working on a universal approach to the whiskey issue. He called me that night and asked me to get up and take a stand on the issue," Sweat recalled.

In the copyrighted speech, Sweat condemns whiskey as "the Devil's brew, the poison scourge and the bloody monster."

Then he praises alcohol as the "oil of conversation" and "the philosophic wine."

After the classic example of political doublespeak, he concluded by saying, "This is my stand. I will not retreat from it. I will not compromise."

Sweat said when he first gave the speech, the crowd sat in silence.

"When I finished the first half of the speech, there was a tremendous burst of applause. The second half of the speech, after the close of which, the wets all applauded. The drys were as unhappy with the second part of the speech as the wets were with the first half," he said.


Sweat's "Whiskey Speech"
Here's the famous "Whiskey Speech; then-Rep. N.S. "Soggy" Sweat Jr. delivered on April 4, 1952, at a banquet while the prohibition issue was before the Legislature.


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"My friends,

"I had not intended to discuss this controversial subject at this particular time. However, I want you to know that I do not shun controversy. On the contrary, I will take a stand on any issue at any time, regardless of how fraught with controversy it might be. You have asked me how I feel about whiskey. All right, here is how I feel about whiskey.

"If when you say whiskey you mean the devil's brew, the poison scourge, the bloody monster, that defiles innocence, dethrones reason, destroys the home, creates misery and poverty, yea, literally takes the bread from the mouths of little children; if you mean the evil drink that topples the Christian man and woman from the pinnacle of righteous, gracious living into the bottomless pit of degradation, and despair, and shame and helplessness, and hopelessness, then certainly I am against it.

"But;

"If when you say whiskey you mean the oil of conversation, the philosophic wine, the ale that is consumed when good fellows get together, that puts a song in their hearts and laughter on their lips, and the warm glow of contentment in their eyes; if you mean Christmas cheer; if you mean the stimulating drink that puts the spring in the old gentleman's step on a frosty, crispy morning; if you mean the drink which enables a man to magnify his joy, and his happiness, and to forget, if only for a little while, life's great tragedies, and heartaches, and sorrows; if you mean that drink, the sale of which pours into our treasuries untold millions of dollars, which are used to provide tender care for our little crippled children, our blind, our deaf, our dumb, our pitiful aged and infirm; to build highways and hospitals and schools, then certainly I am for it.

"This is my stand. I will not retreat from it. I will not compromise."

[SB]

Will serving liquor help overcome mediocre food? Mediocre food that is overpriced?

[Bonehead]

Bonehead....per my associate...I didnt take your sign

Haha. I didn't accuse nobody. Just an FYI.
Y'all must work bankers hours....was gonna stop by on my way home and y'all were long gone. I wanted to see if y'all had that sign. Seriously was just gonna visit.

[deltadukman]

Dont look for his truck, we park in the back. 6:04 and I am just leaving. You may not catch him, but I am usully here.

[Bonehead]

Saw this earlier on Facebook:

About 20 years ago, my family and I moved to Brandon because of the schools and churches. It was then, and remains today, an ideal place to raise a family. Then, in 1998, we opened Annie D’s A Family Grill as a white-table cloth, fine dining restaurant, but were quickly forced to change our concept because the lack of liquor sales made it impossible to operate a fine dining concept. To this day, no fine dining concept has been able to succeed in Brandon.

In announcing the closing of Annie D‘s, I stated that Brandon had failed to grow “relative to the growth of neighboring communities”. What I was referring to was commercial growth, not residential growth. A strong commercial tax base is absolutely crucial to the long term growth and stability of a community and Brandon clearly has not kept up. Look at the area around Trustmark Park in Pearl. A liquor by the glass referendum had to pass before that area could be developed fully. Look at the Dogwood area in Flowood. Liquor by the glass has allowed them to attract not only more upscale restaurants and national retailers, but with them better hotels as well. The hotels and retailers are necessary to attract office buildings, corporate relocations and even light industry to an area because companies have to know that they have places of the proper quality to house and support prospective clients or even out of town personnel before they invest in a community.
THAT IS WHAT THIS REFERENDUM IS ABOUT!
Yes, liquor is on the ballot, but it is about growth. It is about being able to attract the restaurants that will attract the hotels that will attract the other businesses that will build a commercial tax base that will help pay for the city services that everybody expects and keep residential tax rates low. It is about leaving a community for our grandchildren where they will be able to afford the property taxes and a community that will be able to provide services such as our wonderful Senior Citizens Center. If you do not think this is about growth, stop and consider just how few current restaurants will add liquor when this passes. It will, as a matter of fact, bring more competition to the existing restaurants. However, we understand that the growth that this referendum will spur is more important and that is why we support it.
Tom Pittman
Annie D’s

Did they not build that place to be a McB's?....anticipating it passing?
Seems like that was the case, but can't swear to it. Never remember white tablecloth being there.

[turkeyman]

Saw this earlier on Facebook:

About 20 years ago, my family and I moved to Brandon because of the schools and churches. It was then, and remains today, an ideal place to raise a family. Then, in 1998, we opened Annie D’s A Family Grill as a white-table cloth, fine dining restaurant, but were quickly forced to change our concept because the lack of liquor sales made it impossible to operate a fine dining concept. To this day, no fine dining concept has been able to succeed in Brandon.

In announcing the closing of Annie D‘s, I stated that Brandon had failed to grow “relative to the growth of neighboring communities”. What I was referring to was commercial growth, not residential growth. A strong commercial tax base is absolutely crucial to the long term growth and stability of a community and Brandon clearly has not kept up. Look at the area around Trustmark Park in Pearl. A liquor by the glass referendum had to pass before that area could be developed fully. Look at the Dogwood area in Flowood. Liquor by the glass has allowed them to attract not only more upscale restaurants and national retailers, but with them better hotels as well. The hotels and retailers are necessary to attract office buildings, corporate relocations and even light industry to an area because companies have to know that they have places of the proper quality to house and support prospective clients or even out of town personnel before they invest in a community.
THAT IS WHAT THIS REFERENDUM IS ABOUT!
Yes, liquor is on the ballot, but it is about growth. It is about being able to attract the restaurants that will attract the hotels that will attract the other businesses that will build a commercial tax base that will help pay for the city services that everybody expects and keep residential tax rates low. It is about leaving a community for our grandchildren where they will be able to afford the property taxes and a community that will be able to provide services such as our wonderful Senior Citizens Center. If you do not think this is about growth, stop and consider just how few current restaurants will add liquor when this passes. It will, as a matter of fact, bring more competition to the existing restaurants. However, we understand that the growth that this referendum will spur is more important and that is why we support it.
Tom Pittman
Annie D’s

Did they not build that place to be a McB's?....anticipating it passing?
Seems like that was the case, but can't swear to it. Never remember white tablecloth being there.

Yes it was a mcB's and closed due to the vote not passing then but yes Annie D's was a fine dining when it opened (that was my first job ) and they served steak and sea food. Had the best shrimp Alfredo. When he went to buffet I couldn't believe it.

[chs36]

Here is a post by a guy who I respect. I am interested in comments in response to what he says. I agree with him to be clear.


"Better" Brandon Now campaign claims a vote FOR the Legal Sale of Alcoholic Liquors is about freedom and generating income. It's interesting that a voice of freedom is censoring certain voices who ask questions on their page...questions contrary to their point of view. So, if this is about "freedom," please address how packaging a vote FOR the Legal Sale of Alcoholic Liquors, but putting For Growth, Restaurants, etc. signs all over town is not misleading? As one of the great philosophers of our day from Duck Dynasty said, "you can put lipstick on a pig but at the end of the day it's still a pig." I'm not for misleading, emotional pleas from either side, just facts. And the facts are, there is nothing on the ballot that prevents nightclubs, liquor stores and adult entertainment establishments. In fact the current zoning ordinance for the city of Brandon has zones in which nightclubs, liquor stores AND adult entertainment businesses can be located. Yes, they would still have to be approved by the various committees and boards but everything else has to go through a process also. My question is, if we were just voting on restaurants, why not match the ballot language with the political language? Why mislead? Yes, a vote FOR may stimulate our economy but do we really know for certain we WON'T eventually have the type of establishments that typically follow votes For the Legal Sale of Alcoholic Liquors if we vote "For"? Why won't someone from the For side address this?

I agree with you on that. That was a good post by a very respectable, level headed, common sense using man, that has work with the city politics and seen first hand the good and bad of how the "click" works. And yes...it got removed from the better brandon page. LOL

[munyoz70]

Here is a post by a guy who I respect. I am interested in comments in response to what he says. I agree with him to be clear.


"Better" Brandon Now campaign claims a vote FOR the Legal Sale of Alcoholic Liquors is about freedom and generating income. It's interesting that a voice of freedom is censoring certain voices who ask questions on their page...questions contrary to their point of view. So, if this is about "freedom," please address how packaging a vote FOR the Legal Sale of Alcoholic Liquors, but putting For Growth, Restaurants, etc. signs all over town is not misleading? As one of the great philosophers of our day from Duck Dynasty said, "you can put lipstick on a pig but at the end of the day it's still a pig." I'm not for misleading, emotional pleas from either side, just facts. And the facts are, there is nothing on the ballot that prevents nightclubs, liquor stores and adult entertainment establishments. In fact the current zoning ordinance for the city of Brandon has zones in which nightclubs, liquor stores AND adult entertainment businesses can be located. Yes, they would still have to be approved by the various committees and boards but everything else has to go through a process also. My question is, if we were just voting on restaurants, why not match the ballot language with the political language? Why mislead? Yes, a vote FOR may stimulate our economy but do we really know for certain we WON'T eventually have the type of establishments that typically follow votes For the Legal Sale of Alcoholic Liquors if we vote "For"? Why won't someone from the For side address this?

I agree with you on that. That was a good post by a very respectable, level headed, common sense using man, that has work with the city politics and seen first hand the good and bad of how the "click" works. And yes...it got removed from the better brandon page. LOL

Now I know you have way more knowledge on building codes and zoneing laws and will never question that aptitude and respect your statements cause with you like it or not you tell the truth and everyone knows where you stand on things. Infact you helped instill that in me as I was transitioning from a youth to an adult and I thank you for that and other knowledge you have shared with me.

But can you clarify this? Doesn't every city have these area zoned? Kind of like 16th section land it comes with becoming a city? I have no idea but seems like I have heard that before. Anyone have knowlege on that?

[RDB]

Here is a post by a guy who I respect. I am interested in comments in response to what he says. I agree with him to be clear.


"Better" Brandon Now campaign claims a vote FOR the Legal Sale of Alcoholic Liquors is about freedom and generating income. It's interesting that a voice of freedom is censoring certain voices who ask questions on their page...questions contrary to their point of view. So, if this is about "freedom," please address how packaging a vote FOR the Legal Sale of Alcoholic Liquors, but putting For Growth, Restaurants, etc. signs all over town is not misleading? As one of the great philosophers of our day from Duck Dynasty said, "you can put lipstick on a pig but at the end of the day it's still a pig." I'm not for misleading, emotional pleas from either side, just facts. And the facts are, there is nothing on the ballot that prevents nightclubs, liquor stores and adult entertainment establishments. In fact the current zoning ordinance for the city of Brandon has zones in which nightclubs, liquor stores AND adult entertainment businesses can be located. Yes, they would still have to be approved by the various committees and boards but everything else has to go through a process also. My question is, if we were just voting on restaurants, why not match the ballot language with the political language? Why mislead? Yes, a vote FOR may stimulate our economy but do we really know for certain we WON'T eventually have the type of establishments that typically follow votes For the Legal Sale of Alcoholic Liquors if we vote "For"? Why won't someone from the For side address this?

This vote is simply for the sale of liquor by the glass in restaurants. That's it. The growth (more restaurants) will come with the passing of this, nothing more. How many clubs and strip joints and liquor stores have popped up in Pearl and Flowood since they passed the same measure? I'm pretty certain it is ZERO. How many new restaurants have opened and how many existing restaurants started serving liquor by the glass since the measure passed in these cities? Many.

The passage will generate tax revenue by hopefully enticing businesses to the city. If it doesn't pass businesses may or may not come here to operate. There is more of chance for quicker revenue for the city if the measure passes. JMO.